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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 11:31:49 AM
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 11:31:49 AM »

I really like the idea of using my 'soon to be arriving' Revelate bags on my roadbike.  I used to do long distance road touring and looking back I am amazed at all the junk I took with me.  Had rear panniers, front panniers, handlebar bag, a mini frame bag, bottle cages for fuel and H20.  I have an entirely different thought process now, but then it was all about creature comforts.  However, with new technologies you can have a certain level of creature comfort in a lightweight package.

Now, I can see riding the carbonTT bike, aero bars, & Revelate bags with a light and fast approach to riding pavement - but maybe only for a few days at a time  sign13
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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 01:09:42 PM
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 01:09:42 PM »

As for the question of what is wrong with road tourers that they carry all that stuff, I think I have some perspective on that one.  I came to bike touring from a background in backpacking and mountain biking.  When I was gearing up for our 2002 cross-country tour, I did a lot of research and got involved in a lot of forums, etc.  I was going for a, well, not ultra-light but light-weight set-up to begin with and a lot of people just seemed to think that was silly.

Overall, it comes to 3 issues:  First, as WalksOn2Wheels just said, the weights 'on your bike not your back' so it 'doesn't matter'.  I still remember reading up on a woman from MI who took a full-sized wok and a teddy bear on every tour with her.  A freaking wok!  This was a small woman, think about how much farther she could go, or how much more energy she would have at the end of the day if she brought her 60 pounds of gear down to 40.  In some ways touring is a 'counter-culture' which rejects all that is associated with racing.  And so, there's nothing wrong with more weight.

Which brings me to my second point, bike touring is a very traditionalist pursuit.  And what worked best in the 1970's surely works best today.  Mountain bikers and ultra-light backpackers are more willing to embrace new technology in order to make their experience better.  For example the simple hydration pack means you don't (may not) need to carry your water bottles in your frame, which makes room for a frame bag... and so forth.  (I will say however, that touring without a pack on your back, especially in hot weather is soooooo nice.)

Third, there is a very strong 'be ready for anything' attitude among road tourist.  People who ride nothing but paved roads in the United States seem compelled to gear themselves out for a multi-year trek around the backroads of Africa.  I think this is because all of the 'guru's of the sport are long distance riders, and often riders who travel abroad, and so everyone wants to 'be like Mike'.



All good points. It definitely is a counter culture to the "racing" roadie sub-culture. If you go to one forum, people are willing to spend a grand to drop 150 grams. If you go to the other and you even breathe a word against panniers, they make fun of you and your sweaty back. I did a post when I decided to ditch my panniers, and this is before I started entertaining the idea of actually wearing the backpack, and pretty much everyone had something to say for panniers and that I was silly if I thought 5 pounds difference would matter.

It's as if heavy panniers in the touring/commuting world are the "manly man" scale equivalent to double cranks in the roadie world.

Not only that, but before I bought my Talon pack, I was searching BF forums and almost every post that came up regarding advice on backpacks, someone had to chime in with something to the effect of "something to mount on your rack, like panniers."


But hey, in the end, I just hope everyone is having a good time riding their bikes. We like to poke and prod at Fred's and recumbent riders and they in turn lash out at the roadies and nobody seems to like the hipsters on fixies. But who's keeping bicycling alive? All of us.
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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #22 on: January 30, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2011, 08:22:31 PM »

Here is a picture of my rig set up for day rides and mixed terrain, e.g. road to fire trails to tame single track to fire trails to paved road home.


Frame bag No.1 by rperks1, on Flickr

I made the frame bag (details here http://wp.me/p19mfs-8X).  The front and rear are from http://www.acornbags.com/.  I am getting gear together for short tours but will use a carradice Nelson saddlebag that has about 1000 ci of space.  I am working on refinments for my own front and rear bags that meet my needs a little better than the acorn or carradice bags do.  My biggest problem is that I am a water hog not adapted to the dryness of the west coast.  The frame bag easily swallows a 2lL platypus bag, I use it to fill the bottles.  Also, I hate having stuff on my back if I can avoid it.
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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 07:43:31 AM
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 07:43:31 AM »

My first touring experiences were on the road, and I like the ability to carry extra stuff on smooth surfaces. It's nice to be able to justify carrying a tent, two pairs of shoes AND a pair of sandals, street clothes, etc. When I did my abbreviated trans-con in '03, my rigid ss clocked in a 110 lbs with all the crap I was carrying. That was maybe a bit excessive, but I wouldn't even think twice about a 75lb total bike/gear weight while road touring. I go light for bikepacking because the weight more negatively affects the handling of the bike off road.

Regarding the title of the thread, I'm pretty sure Ken Kifer(rip) coined the term, or at least popularized it. I'm also pretty sure that almost 100% of his touring was done on road and rail trail. So it would probably be mildly hypocritical if we snubbed the road tourists...
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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 10:47:13 AM »

I set up my Surly Karate Monkey for late-season road touring in the Yukon and Southeast Alaska. Slap a couple of slicks on the wheels, and the KM makes an awesome road touring bike. I packed a -20 degree sleeping bag, Ridgerest, bivy sack, three days of food, water, down coat, hat, rain coat, rain pants, gloves, mittens, extra socks, extra jersey, water filter, repair gear, med kit, and misc. items without racks. It was a good set-up for the 370-mile Golden Circle in late September, with some (minimal) gravel sections and a snowstorm. I camped in temperatures in the upper teens. The heavy front-loading on the handlebars didn't bother me nearly as much as front panniers used to on my touring bike; I prefer to have the weight higher. I wasn't exactly packed light, but I do appreciate the simplicity and ease of bike bags. They're first-generation bags from Epic (now Revelate) Designs.



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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #25 on: January 31, 2011, 01:30:39 PM
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2011, 01:30:39 PM »

My IF Club Racer on a S24O 2 years ago:

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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #26 on: February 05, 2011, 01:09:30 PM
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2011, 01:09:30 PM »

For the tent pole people... here is another website where you can make your own tent poles to different lengths.  Seems like good pricing as well.

http://www.questoutfitters.com/tent_poles.htm#TENT POLES

I haven't done any bikepacking or touring as of yet, but I'm waiting on Revelate bags and am going to make my frame bag myself.
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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 01:33:20 PM »

sick. thanks for that site I might just have to get some custom poles now.

to the people who posted setups - how much weight do you carry on your back? I am thinking about using my camelback and carrying 3L of water on my back with most everything else packed on the bike
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  Topic Name: Any room for a road rider in the mix? Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 01:49:04 PM »

BTW, I ordered the adjustable pole set mentioned on page one (http://www.lightheartgear.com/LightHeart_Gear/Accessories.html) and will post a review when they get here. I almost went with buying parts from Quest and making my own but decided that being able to adjust them a few inches would be cool. I searched for a while trying to find some sort of twist locks to make my own adjusters and just couldn't find anything. Have any of you seen those for sale anywhere? Either the twisting type on typical telescoping poles or the flip-lock type that black diamond uses?

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