The Everything Bag - carry stuff on your Salsa fork.

[jeremy11]

After hearing "internet forum rumors" that the Salsa Anything Cage was commonly breaking after under 1000 miles of Tour Divide style riding, I was riding and thinking one day... and it came to me. The idea of using a framesheet rather than a waterbottle cage was inspired by an impromptu repair by none other than Fixie Dave.And so I realized that a plastic framesheet with a fabric and webbing harness would work splendidly well and avoid the major weaknesses of the Anything Cage. Yield stress is not a concern for this application - aluminum tubing is plenty strong as are fabric and plastic. The problem will be with fatigue loading. Here, the fabric and plastic will be much more resistant to fatigue loading due to the material properties. Also, when the bike is laid down and the cage hits the ground, a soft fabric bag will just squish and be fine, while a metal cage will risk being bent.

And so the idea was born. Two prototypes followed and testing began.  One ride confirmed that it held the cargo well and was easy to handle.

The bags started out with standard cam buckles on them, since side release buckles don't hold well over tight radii.  They later were upgraded to metal spring loaded cam buckles for the ultimate in cinching power and ease.







Later I rode the bags up and down The Ribbon.  Most riders shuttle to the top of the Ribbon... and most bring full suspension.  But I proceeded to start at the bottom with a fat front and two liters of water strapped securely into prototype Everything Bags. After pedaling up a long ways, it was finally time to descend and really test the bags out, at 25 miles an hour on slickrock. The did well. So well, I didn't hardly notice their presence. The Ribbon wanders for a ways through typical rocky Grand Junction singletrack which finally converges to a long slickrock uphill. Sit and spin or stand and mash, or change it up a little - you'll be going up for a while. Once at the top, its time to wish your brake rotors had a coolant system as you smoke your way back down going close to 10 times as fast as you did on the way up.  Its a good test for new bottle bags.







A bag then got sent off to SW Utah to get more mileage on it, and its finally time to go public with them. So, if you have a Salsa or Surly fork with the 3 bottle cage bosses in the fork, you now have a fatigue resistant option that should last longer.



So there you have it. I'm slammed with school and wedding planning until finals week (Dec 10-15) during which I could sew a little, then not until January after the honeymoon.



If you want to try out an early model Everything Bag, they'll start at $50 each including 6 fender washers and 3 long bolts to securely mount them on your fork.




check out www.cleavelandmountaineering.blogspot.com or email me at jeremycleaveland (at) g mail (dot) com for more info or to place an order!

[harryonaspot]

Jeremy. I would like 2 of those. For some reason your email is not accepting mine. Could you try to contact me at hdmsmz@gmail.com.   Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving. Harry

[sthig]

Your frame bag is something I love dearly. I'd be interested in one for now. Another later on. Hit me up. You have my email scott.thigpen at gmail

[Colorado Cool Breeze]

That's pretty inventive jeremy11. You know with rubber coated P-clamps your forkbags could be used on any fork.

[jeremy11]

offering an option that will fit on ANY fork will be the next project, especially so I can test them on my commuter bike and mountain bike without the fat front, just the standard shock fork!
p-clips are a great idea, I'd only thought of the hose clamp route so far... I might just need to test that out.

[harryonaspot]

Jeremy. If you want to experiment on mine, Feel free. Otherwise I will use p clamps. Harry

[panamint dave]

I'm new to the gear involved with Bikepacking. Jeremy, I'm very impressed with the Bags you design! Thinking of setting up my Salsa Spearfish with bags including the everything bag. I have a Rock Shock Recon fork. Where can I get the correct P clamps? Any specific ones? Jeremy, I'm willing to wait if you have something else in mind for a Shock fork.

Dave

[Colorado Cool Breeze]

I'm new to the gear involved with Bikepacking. Jeremy, I'm very impressed with the Bags you design! Thinking of setting up my Salsa Spearfish with bags including the everything bag. I have a Rock Shock Recon fork. Where can I get the correct P clamps? Any specific ones? Jeremy, I'm willing to wait if you have something else in mind for a Shock fork.

Dave

Dave you'll need to do some measuring.
A stainless steel P-clamps will give you the strength you need to support the weight with little fatigue from vibration.
Some large washers might help distribute the load around the attachment points which would be the weakest point.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ecatalog/N-1z0dvfc

Can't wait to see what Jeremy comes up with.

[panamint dave]

CCB,

Thanks for the info.

Dave

[NT]

I like the look of this. Add me to the list of interested in putting this on a suspension fork.

[Bndst]

I'd definitely be interested in a non-Surly/Salsa fork version for my Jones...anxious to see what you come up with. The bags look fantastic.

[jeremy11]

Using P-clips to hold the bag on a fork would work.... but it would need to be off center and that bugs me structurally and aesthetically.
On the bike commute back home from school today an obvious idea hit me on how to have the bag centered on a fork with P clips.  It will work and work well, I'll just need to change the mounting part of the design ever so slightly.
Once finals start wrapping up next week I'll do some more prototyping.... hopefully.

[jeremy11]

Last weekend I mounted up Everything Bag V1.0 with some P-clips on the commuter bike.  Since then I've put a little over 100 miles on it.  So far, so good, for commuting and a bit of snow covered rocky dirt road exploring.... with 35 mm slicks.....
Works great.  It might wiggle a bit more than if it were mounted too real water bottle bosses, but it stays put.
Today I took the wrong way home to celebrate the end of the semester.
Versions 3, 4, and 5 are being made by the little elves at the North Pole right now.
The hardware store only had up to 1" P clips, which fit on the Fisticuff fork, but I'll need to order something bigger for the suspension forks.  The plan is to buy a few common P clip sizes in bulk and have them available to customers so its ready to go, right out of the box for your needs.

[jeremy11]

I got in an order of P Clamps and am testing them on the suspension fork now.  So far so good.  Here's some pictures:






If anyone else wants to enroll in the test dummy program, its $50 per bag, and an extra $10 per bag if you want P clamps along with it. 
I've found 1 inch p clamps at the local hardware store, but nothing bigger... my susp fork needed 1.5 inch clamps.
Now for all us desert rats looking to haul a lot of extra water - just get the extra tall 48 oz Nalgenes and put them in Everything Bags - an extra 96 oz of water along!
Let me know if you're interested,
jeremycleaveland (at) gmale

[harryonaspot]

I mounted two of the original models on my wife's Reba. I couldn't find p clamps large enough, so I used pipe strap. It's not pretty but works fine. We are currently touring in NZ and 600 miles later they are still carrying 40 oz of water each just fine. I just had my first anything cage break 2 days ago. This is a better way. Harry

[hikernks]

Email sent!  Excellent idea.

[harryonaspot]

While on our first big climb of the day, I remembered where to get large p clamps. Old man mountain has them. I think

[jeremy11]

I've been getting them from Grainger here:

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/cable-wire-and-hose-clamps/hardware/fasteners/ecatalog/N-c2m?cm_sp=GenericTerms-_-Clamp-_-Cable,%20Wire%20and%20Hose%20Clamps#http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/cable-wire-and-hose-clamps/hardware/fasteners/ecatalog/N-c2mZ1z13f1o?Ndr=basedimid10071&cm_sp=GenericTerms-_-Clamp-_-Cable%2C+Wire+and+Hose+Clamps&sst=subset

[Couloirman]

How do you think these bags would work on a Lefty? It would be great to be able to keep something bulky but light up there

[jeremy11]

You could fit one fine on a Lefty.  We can just get the right diameter P clamps and it should go together just like a normal two legged fork.