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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up on: February 28, 2013, 10:17:09 AM
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« on: February 28, 2013, 10:17:09 AM »

Over the last week or so I've made several penny stoves each a little different then the one before it. Some used alot of fuel and boiled water quickly , others used a very small amount of fuel but boiled slower and the rest for whatever reason didnt work well at all.


The one i settled on does a pretty good job at boiling and conserving fuel.

After picking the one I feel is the best of both worlds  I started to think about windscreens and pots to boil in.

Some worked well but were hard to pack up small, some packed really well but didnt work well

When all was said and done i feel like i ended up with a light small packing and extremely inexpensive set up that boils water well using the least amount of fuel.

I dont have a scale but it doesnt weigh much...when packed it measures about 7x3.75



12 oz of boiling water in 6.5 mins using about 1 oz. of fuel

When all packed it fits nicely in my tangle bag with plenty of room left over for a few other items.



 
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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 04:34:23 PM
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 04:34:23 PM »

Looks good. Smart to do your trial and error at home before finding out on a trip that your stove burns through too much fuel.

Question though.  Are you setting your pot directly on the store or using something to keep it elevated over the flame? When I set my pot on an alcohol stove it always ends up going out on me.
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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 04:35:22 PM »

Nevermind... I see now how you're keeping it up. Looks like a good setup.
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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 12:54:04 PM »

Nevermind... I see now how you're keeping it up. Looks like a good setup.
Thanks.    icon_biggrin

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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 01:05:10 PM »

Today I tried to cook out of it for the first time.It was nothing fancy but turned out pretty good IMO. I took a freezer ziplock and packed butter flavored instant potatoes , sundried tomatoes and some Italian seasoning.


Then added 1cup of almost boiling water into the bag .


Then put the bag into one half of the stoves storage container , rolled the excess bag down the side, then stirred it up a bit.



The consistency was perfect , it was hot and tasted good. The whole deal took about 6 mins from the start to end.



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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 07:42:23 AM
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 07:42:23 AM »

After a winter trip down the eastern divide a couple years ago where I didn't hardly use my multi-fuel stove at all I challenged myself to try going wood only and never looked back. I figure I can pick up HEET or equiv at any gas station in America and improvise a perfectly good alcohol stove at the drop of a hat out of aluminum foil or spare can not that I've had the need over the last couple years.  I primarily only cook in the evening and winding down by a fire is the perfect way to do it.  Weighs less and is less hassell with no need to carry fuel or worry about resupply. I've become a wood gourmond. Uses so little fuel I can and do get selective about my woods. Hickory, pines.


ultralight cook kit, 2oz stove, 2.3oz pot, .6oz mug/bowl by mmeiser2, on Flickr

Wish I had an updated picture. The monster energy drink can works fine as a boiler, but my preferred pot is a 700ml evernew since I can eat out of it as well as boil and cook in it. Soot is a complete non-issue with a Reflectix pot cozy covering up any soot. Plus keeps the food hot and the pot easy to handle when off the stove.

There are so many joys to fire, and this little 2oz piece of titanium flashing gives me the flexibility to scale up or down my fire as appropriate.   Best of all when I'm done a tiny bit of cleanup leaves absolutely no trace. My only wish is I could use it on a picnic table or in a tent.  But then I've been working on a chimney stove for my tent. I have experimented with an aluminum pie plate or piece of heavy duty aluminum foil with several inches of dirt on it. It works, but I really think this stove works best when staked out in the dirt.

My boil tests are amazing. Because the pot sits down inside the stove with the heat all around I can consistently boil two cups of ambient water in 2-2.5 minutes. Of course boil tests aren't everything. It's requires a few more minutes to get a fire started then to light an alcohol or isobutane stove. But I'll go with skill, knowlege and experience over carrying more gear every time. These things weigh nothing and get better over time. Plus skill, knowlege and experience give you versatility and adaptability. 

I favor elemental gear for the same reasons. A piece of titanium flashing isn't just a wood stove, but it's also effectively a perfect wind screen if you do decide to pair it with an alcohol stove so you can cook on a picnic table or can do a quick start of hot coffee at the beginning of the day.

Along these same lines, tarps are more elemental then a tent and therefore more versatile. With skill, experience and knowlege over time one learns to pitch tarps thousands of different ways and for many different uses. Perhaps you might putch it high for a multi-person cook / hangout area. Perhaps it's early season and there are no bugs. Simply leave the bug net at home.  My favorite tarp is actually a GoLite poncho tarp. Yes it will even work as a poncho. I generally use a riding specific jacket (O2 rainwear) but the versatility costs nothing, and I'm sure one day it will come in handy though I did not purchase it for this use.

I guess the point is that for me DIY alcohol stoves of which I am a huge fan were a jumping off point. A way to understand and start to develop extremely purpose built gear.  Elemental gear. Tools not "solutions". Specifically not off-the-shelf solutions like jetboil cook kits or free standing tents.  When I develop and depend more on elemental tools, knowlege, and developing experience and skill I can carry far less gear and yet have far more comfort and versatility.

BTW, a word about ziploc bags as kit.  You're spot on with using the ziploc over your stove holder.  Try making a Reflectix cozy instead. Even more useful then a plastic container that can melt.

The backpackers use this ziploc method heavily and it works great as ziplocs can handle boiling water and often they personally pack all their food in ziplocs.  Best of all no cleanup. However I as a cyclists am often improvising my food choices as I'm traveling because I'm stopping in grocery stores or convienience stores at least every three days if not every day.  Because of this I'm going for more fresh foods and fruits, sometimes if I hit a grocery store in the evening I'll even pick up things like steak. Why not get some potatoes and onion as well. I always carry a some aluminum foil and you can always request a little from the Deli/ meat counter if you're buying something.  Produce bags are as useful as ziplocks for packing (though not eating). Improvised gloves / shoe covers in the rain or cold.  But back to food.

I will sometimes even grab can goods if I know I'm going to be eating them that night or first thing in the morning.

There is nothing like waking up, brewing ups some coffee an eating a can of fruit cocktail or peaches. I guess it's a nice alternative to my regular morning OJ which I miss on the road.

I guess my point is learn to improvise on the road. Purposefully go out with only staple foods like coffee and oatmeal when doing short trips and overnighters.  Stop at grocery stores when on trips as frequently as possible at first and ask "what pill pack well on my bike and cook up or be great to have uncooked".  While bikepacking or touring you're not going to be out of civilization for weeks on end. Unless extremely remote you will encounter at the very least gas stations daily.

Realize you can go lighter then a backpacker in the food category and look at your food choices more versatily.

Realize cooking is a luxury. You don't have to cook every meal, you don't have too cook at all. If you do cook it's because you want too, you like it. It's a great way to wind down the evening, but is it necessary for breakfast or lunch? If you're not enjoying it but trying to rush through it then why bother cooking. Just find stuff that doesn't require cooking.

I often competely forego breakfast until after I've done 10-20 miles for the day. I'm not a high functioning morning person so I just like to roll out of bed and wake up on the bike.  After a while I start to wake up and think about breakfast and then I'll stop at a local breakfast place or feast on a uncooked breakfast or whatever. Having in 10-20 before the day even gets going is a great way to start the day an easy way of getting more miles and breaks up the day nicely. It isn't about racing. It's about ease of miles and freedom to roam.

So. Hopefully that was useful for you. I admit I like to write. Sometimes a little much. It reminds me of what I love about bikepacking and UL touring.

 
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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 08:03:16 AM
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 08:03:16 AM »

BTW, my favorite alcohol stove is the "super cat stove" improviseable with a hole punch and a cat food can.

Also, extremely thin stainless steel works just as well for wood stoves.

Titnium stakes are handy for staking out or pinning flasking and windscreens. Even improvising a grill top.

My "bowl" is a an old 27oz / 32oz Platypus bladder that I cut down to the proper height. I don't like to use it that much because I don't like cleaning it. often I will just line it with a ziploc bag.  These can of course handle boiling water.  Mostly I just put coffee or tea in it. BTW, has pretty decent insulative properties for something so thin and light. If you leave it a little tall you can fold over the top and put a clip on it made by partially splitting a bit of green branch. In this way you can allow things too cook/steep/brew off the stove while you're making another dish.

Most of the time I eat out of my 700ml Evernew pot. It's easier to clean unless I'm doing multiple courses of food.

spare bicycle spokes and a bit of wire make for superb pot handles. I always carry a little wire in my first aid/emergency kit.

Spokes are also a nice alternative to titanium stakes for pinning together or staking down titnium, steel or aluminum flashing for wind screens or stove.

As much gear as I have after years of bike touring and backpacking I'm never above improvising with inexpensive goods. For example I used a 40oz Bushes bean can with a bike spoke handle as my primary pot when I biked down the eastern divide in january. It worked perfectly as a large snow melter and a water boiler. I'd just set it right in the edge of the fire. Used it daily for winter camping. Point being the perfect gear changes from trip to trip. One should not focus on finding the perfect pot or perfect gear for some idealized trip but the perfect pot or gear for the trip at hand and be aware that the next trip may require something else and develop the retinue of gear to fulfil those different needs. If this means over time collecting multiple bikes, multiple tents/bivys/tarps/shelters, multiple pots, stoves, etc, etc.  Then so be it.

Ultimately I like to keep things so simple stupid I can grab some gear and head out the door in minutes.  I don't want anything keeping me from getting out there and doing what I love. As mentioned above it's not about speed, it's about freedom and ease of movement. I'll go out and ride 120 or more miles in a day not because I'm racing but because I can do it and still stop to smell the roses. Still strike up an hour conversation with someone I meet along the way. Still take a right turn because I like the look of some road.

Having more gear and weight entrenches us and holds us back. It's not just the weight. It's the bulk. It's the packing and unpacking it. It's having to dig through your bags to find something.  Ironically I find that the less gear I have the less worried I am about forgetting something.

I aim not just to go as light as possible, but to take the least amount of gear as possible. I want to be able to hop over logs or fences. Jog up a flight of stairs with my bike under one arm, lift my bike over my head, float over washboards at 20mph and generaly spin off miles as if I haven't a care in the world.

I live in the moment when I'm touring and often shedding gear is merely a metaphor for shedding fears, societal pressures, silly expectations, inhibitions and misguided ambitions.  I peel them back like layers of an onion, fill the blood with endorphines, ride until I'm exhausted and all the muscles ache, make new friends along the way and above all try to be extremely lazy when off the bike like a lion laying in the sun with a full belly after a good chase and a great meal. It's basic primal stuff and if you can find people to do it with even better.  A nice brew at the end of the day. And maybe dare I say an occasional cheap cigar by the fire before crawling under the quilt and getting up the next day to do it all over again.

Primal simplicity is such a wonderful counterpoint to the complexities of modern life.
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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #7 on: March 31, 2013, 02:26:11 PM
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2013, 02:26:11 PM »

mmeiser2  -

            inspired words sir. i like your philosophy and have in fact found that my most "frantic" moments are when i've tried to pack too much only to realize..."what the hell do i need all this for?"

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  Topic Name: Alcohol Penny Stove set up Reply #8 on: April 03, 2013, 06:39:53 AM
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2013, 06:39:53 AM »

mmeiser, good stuff.
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