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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame on: July 12, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
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« on: July 12, 2012, 08:01:17 PM »

I have a Salsa Mariachi Ti and I have been experiencing lots of creaking near my rear quick link or skewer.  At first I thought it was the BB, but its not.  I have tried 3 kinds of skewers and I just tried the Salsa Pro Moto SS skewer and the creaking is worse now.  It only creaks when I put lots of force on the pedals like on a climb. 

Anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of this creaking, its driving me nuts.
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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 08:09:56 PM
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 08:09:56 PM »

Grease every contant point in the rear - and with ti preferably use a metal based lube, like copper anti-sieze. For a quick diagnosis, drip a heavy oil in key areas - one area at a time, then ride to bring out the noise, then repeat the oil drip until you find the creak. Then methodically grease these areas.
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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 08:28:01 PM »

Figured it out...it was the attachment between the frame and the derailleur hanger!  I used some chain lube but I'm gonna put some anti seize there instead later so that it doesn't wear off as quickly.

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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 06:02:40 AM
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 06:02:40 AM »

Foster,
Sounds like you fixed the problem, but you might have more mystery sounds later. I have an old Airborne Ti hardtail. It's eleven years old and the frame will probably last forever. However, Ti eats up just about any non-plastic thing that touches it. I'm on my 3rd headset - eventually the headset cups' anodization gets corroded-thru where it's pressed into the frame and the headset needs to be replaced, before the actual bearings wear. BTW, the noise from a corroded/loose headset is really hard to diagnose. Same thing might also happen with a bottom bracket, but wrapping the BB with Teflon tape during installation works well. Use a nickel-based anti-seize [instead of moly or copper-based] for anything that touches the Ti frame [but any anti-seize is better than nothing]. Do NOT use any type of Loctite/thread-locker for fasteners that go into the frame. Ti is an amazing material. Enjoy...  -B
I have a Salsa Mariachi Ti and I have been experiencing lots of creaking near my rear quick link or skewer. ...It only creaks when I put lots of force on the pedals like on a climb. 

Anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of this creaking, its driving me nuts.
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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame Reply #4 on: August 01, 2012, 05:18:58 AM
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2012, 05:18:58 AM »

Late reply but might be Worth the info for others / future.
My litespeed creaked and after systematically copper slipping every thread and face i eventually replaced the cheapo plastic BB spacers with metal ones and it was cured.
The BB creak used to return after anti seizing the threads after a few rides but doesn't anymore.
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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame Reply #5 on: August 01, 2012, 11:31:19 PM
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2012, 11:31:19 PM »

I have an old Airborne Ti hardtail. It's eleven years old and the frame will probably last forever.


This doesn't having anything to do with the OPs situation, hopefully now resolved, but I just had to reply to your mention of an Airborne frame. I have a Flyte Arsenal road frame.. which is basically an Airborne Zeppelin. Flyte was a very short lived attempt to keep Airborne alive with a new company name in the wake of their legal battles with Huffy Corp. I guess there is now an Airborne Bicycles Company again, but separate (legally) from the original corporation. They were gone just long enough to be able to deny me any warranty claims.

I managed to crack that Arsenal frame in the drive side chainstay after about 3 years and 30,000 miles of riding. I kept that frame and let it sit around gathering dust for a couple years before I finally found a friend with connections and got it welded. I kept it as a backup road bike to my carbon Roubaix and will start using it more often for bikepacking since it has a better geometry for frame bags than the Roubaix does.

I lived in the Dayton area where Airborne/Flyte was located, and have many friends who had or still have Airborne frames. Many of them have also broken the frames, and one friend managed to go through three of them: 1 Zeppelin and 2 Torches. Granted is a strong, muscular sprinter type guy who can put a ton of torque on a bike frame.

Anyway... I love my Arsenal and hope that it does indeed last forever (with an occasional weld or two). Hope yours does as well!

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  Topic Name: Creaking noise on Ti frame Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 08:45:36 AM
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 08:45:36 AM »

Guess I'm drifting the topic off even further... All things equal [defect free welds, properly sized tubing, etc... Compared to steel, Ti is about an order or magnitude more fatigue resistant. Probably another order of magnitude better than aluminum. BTW, my background is in materials science. Compared to a carbon frame? I don't have any anecdotal experience, but fatigue failure of a carbon frame might be totally irrelevant... More likely to grind/crush/wear thru a carbon frame than fatigue fracture it.
This doesn't having anything to do with the OPs situation, hopefully now resolved, but I just had to reply to your mention of an Airborne frame. ...
I managed to crack that Arsenal frame in the drive side chainstay after about 3 years and 30,000 miles of riding. I kept that frame and let it sit around gathering dust for a couple years before I finally found a friend with connections and got it welded. I kept it as a backup road bike to my carbon Roubaix and will start using it more often for bikepacking since it has a better geometry for frame bags than the Roubaix does.
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Anyway... I love my Arsenal and hope that it does indeed last forever (with an occasional weld or two). Hope yours does as well!
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