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  Topic Name: GPS on: April 24, 2012, 05:43:17 AM
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What GPS do you use for ultra racing? Iam looking for reasonably priced $100-$300. that you can download gpx file and then follow the line. and also uses disposable/rechargable batteries.  Thanks.  Has anyone used or are using Garmin Dakota 20 Waterproof Hiking GPS?  thanks
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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 08:17:34 AM
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 08:17:34 AM »

I have a older Garmin Vista HCx, and it's great. But if I were buying a new GPS, I'd get a Garmin eTrex 20 or 30.
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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 11:56:36 AM »

Is there anything available to allow a Garmin 800 to be charged (from a dyno) and used at the same time.
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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 12:19:36 PM
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 12:19:36 PM »

I have a older Garmin Vista HCx, and it's great. But if I were buying a new GPS, I'd get a Garmin eTrex 20 or 30.


Same here. Visate has all the functions I need and the etrex 20 or 30 is it's replacement I think.
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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 08:50:36 PM »

Is there anything available to allow a Garmin 800 to be charged (from a dyno) and used at the same time.

Powermonkey have partnered to make a garmin solar panel and lipo battery pack, this is a garmin genuine accessory, BUT you cannot charge from solar and discharge to recharge/run your device at the same time. Shame, as the battery pack is really neat. Now, SON make dyno hubs, they pair well with the b&m E-werk converter and float battery. I know the e-werk comes with a lot of different cables, I'm sure you could either charge/run your device straight from the e-werk output OR from the float battery at the same time. I don't know if there is any smart regulation on the output side to protect any downstream devices, using the float battery as a coarse regulation device. Not too sure how sensitive the voltage and current inputs are on the garmins.

 This is my planned setup for the fargo and maybe the moon, as well as using it for recharging exposure lights.
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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 07:55:13 AM
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 07:55:13 AM »

@timon

I used an edge 800 for CTR last year (granted, didn't finish) but lots of training and 24hrs solo with it as well over the past year and a half.

i get about 14hrs on a 100% charge on it fyi.

my charging strategy worked well last year.  I used a 3AA charge pack with lithium batteries and charged while sleeping.

The edge firmware WILL allow charge and run at the same time on a usb port that provides power.  You won't see this behavior when you plug it into your computer as there is data transfer occuring (hence why the "drive" shows up on your computer).  But when you plug it into a power source only (like for ex a usb car charger) this does NOT cause the garmin to stop recording or function.

As to a dyno...I have a big dummy with a son28 dyno hub on it.  Tout terrain makes a very clean solution called the plug (http://www.en.tout-terrain.de/accessories/electric-power-supply/) that almost any LBS can order rebranded as a supernova (I know - I am a LBS and I ordered mine through Q).  It works great.  It is much cleaner an installation than any other dyno powered setup as all the wiring is buried in the head tube.  It will charge the garmin.  You won't be able to get full lighting if you run your night lights at the same time, so I would plan a charging strategy that includes leaving gps plugged into the charger during sunlight.  If you go to the trouble of a dyno, you should really consider running a supernova e3 triple.  800 lumens and no charging to worry about.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

I am going to be running my battery solution again this year though since I can't run a dyno with the lefty fork. :/

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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 01:50:26 PM »

What perfect timing... I was just about to post a thread with some questions about GPS choice.  I spent a few hours yesterday geeking out on what I could find review wise and info wise on the internet.  I'm ready to make a purchase, as I have a CTR shake-down run in 3 weeks, and would like to familiarize myself with the GPS I end up with.  Greg, I think you'll be able to help answer a lot of those questions I have, coming from a bikepacking specific background. 

I haven't found a lot out there about mountain bikers(more specifically, bikepackers) using the Garmin Edge series.  I know the non-replacable batteries are a huge turn off for some, but as you mentioned, there are some AA USB charger options that seem to work well with the Garmin line...  They also have an external bulk storage rechargeable battery available, but AA seems more appealing.
http://www.gomadic.com/garmin-edge-800-portable-aa-battery-extender.html
It seems like many mountain bikers, and bikepackers recommend the eTrex series(30 mostly, as it has the compass and altitude).  The availability of free maps and ease of use are large perks, as is the 25 hours of battery life and easy to find AA size.

My deal is this...  I frequently road bike as well as mountain bike, and I use Strava to track every ride that I go on.  So paying the little extra money for the cycling specific Edge 800 isn't as big of a drawback for me as it might be for some, and I would like to use the heart rate monitor and cadence sensor for my road bike training.  I would use the Edge on a much more frequent basis then I would use a eTrex30 or similar unit, which would be only on bikepacking trips.  In fact, even if purchasing a eTrex, I would probably purchase an Edge 500 at some point during the year for training purposes.

-Maps and Navigation:  One of my main concern is the maps on the 800...  Can you load the identical detailed topo maps onto the 800 that you would onto the eTrex series?  Are these easy enough to be used for navigation?  Including following a course, such as the ones available for download on CTR's website?  I'm comfortable using a map and compass, and plan on always having a physical copy of the route, but on certain occasions(night time after a long day) it's nice to look on a screen and see a dot to verify your location, or simply follow a line on the screen for a while.

-Storage:  Will the 800 have the ability to store 6 or 7 days worth of riding information for upload later?  I know it uses Micro SD cards for loading topo maps and stuff, but will it be able to retain all the ride information as well?

-Battery:  What kind of charge will the AA's provide?  When using the AA charger for the Edge 800, will one set of batteries bring it to full charge and then be able to run again for 14hrs?  This then assumes that I'd need 8-10 batteries for a 5 day trip.

The size and mounting of the Edge 800 are obvious perks.  The price is a drawback, as it's nearly double some of the eTrex models.  Hope you guys can answer some of these, Greg more specifically, as you're the first I've seen that's used the Edge for this...
Thanks!
-Jesse
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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 03:42:42 PM
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 03:42:42 PM »

I will do my best to answer your questions.

but note, that I chose edge over etrex for one reason and one alone.

Power.  I use powertaps/srms on most of my bikes and so that is why I have an edge.  The etrex, despite having the hardware required, does not have the firmware required to read and record power.

As a cyclist, if you only need hr, speed and cadence, the etrex WILL do those things.

Now, onto the edge specific questions.

-Maps and Navigation:  One of my main concern is the maps on the 800...  Can you load the identical detailed topo maps onto the 800 that you would onto the eTrex series?  Are these easy enough to be used for navigation?  Including following a course, such as the ones available for download on CTR's website?  I'm comfortable using a map and compass, and plan on always having a physical copy of the route, but on certain occasions(night time after a long day) it's nice to look on a screen and see a dot to verify your location, or simply follow a line on the screen for a while.

Edge 800 is the only way to go for mapping... The 500 will allow you to load a track like the CTR route, but will only display the squiggly line (I have both 500 and 800 because I do 24hr solo racing and switch units mid race - but there mapping doesn't matter, so I saved a few bucks on the 500).

As such, the 500 is not really a candidate, IMHO.

The 800 works great.  I get all my maps from gpsfiledepot and in my opinion are better than most maps.  They go down to the 10k topos and are highly usable.  And you can use the garmin loading tools (mac and pc) to load only the maps you'll need to ctr.

-Storage:  Will the 800 have the ability to store 6 or 7 days worth of riding information for upload later?  I know it uses Micro SD cards for loading topo maps and stuff, but will it be able to retain all the ride information as well?

The edge 800 can store weeks, neigh, months of data.  I run a large microSD card.  I tend to load maps to the unit itself and save all my training files directly to the external card. (you can do that - tell it where to store it's files - on the garmin memory or the sd card).  You will never run out of room.  You can also load maps to the card as well.  Memory is NOT an issue.  Just get the max card size supported (cannot remember if it is 16gb or 32gb).

-Battery:  What kind of charge will the AA's provide?  When using the AA charger for the Edge 800, will one set of batteries bring it to full charge and then be able to run again for 14hrs?  This then assumes that I'd need 8-10 batteries for a 5 day trip.

I use a 3AA charger.  And if memory served... charging without running gave 100% charge.  I do not know if you get a better charge *while* running it.  I am getting ready to revisit that again.  Because that was lithiums not alkalines.  I might make a different charging solution using a customized mintyboost and some ideas I have for my setup to make it better... but ymmv, test it yourself.  It *IS* workable thought.  And there are places along the CTR to restock batteries.  Lithium AAs are very light FWIW.

I actually went through this for my lighting setup and one thing I found is that carrying enough lithium AAs for the entire CTR was lighter than running a dyno hub + light.

The size and mounting of the Edge 800 are obvious perks.  The price is a drawback, as it's nearly double some of the eTrex models.  Hope you guys can answer some of these, Greg more specifically, as you're the first I've seen that's used the Edge for this...
Thanks!
-Jesse


The mount I thought was a weak point but turns out I like it more than I thought I would... It isn't as rigid as others... but I believe that is what prevents it from ejecting.  In a crash, invariably, it rotates on the stem.  But is still there.

I do carry an extra set of orings (which garmin includes) at the start of anything important.  Cool thing is I just stretch them over the ergon bar ends and slide them towards the stem and they stay there for the race.

I hope that all helps.

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  Topic Name: GPS Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 09:36:37 AM
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 09:36:37 AM »

Awesome!  Thank you a ton Greg!  It sounds like the Edge will do everything that I need it to, and eliminate the need/desire to purchase two separate GPS devices.  I too will play around with the charging while using it, and not, and let you know what I see for results...  I'm sure I'll have some more questions as I get the unit in my hand and stare at it trying to figure it out...
Thanks!
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