 Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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on: January 19, 2010, 01:11:09 PM
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Rob
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 02:02:31 PM
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willapajames
Location: Stowe, Vermont
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 02:02:31 PM » |
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Aw man, why 10? 9 was already more than enough. I hope they'll keep making 9spd for a long time, because I sure don't want 10spd...  |
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 07:02:23 PM
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Pivvay
Riding and exploring
Location: Westminster, CO
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 07:02:23 PM » |
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Heh, i'm still on 9spd road and will continue until it's impossible to find parts.
Shimano and SRAM. I DO NOT WANT MORE COGS!
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 07:06:00 PM
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willapajames
Location: Stowe, Vermont
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 07:06:00 PM » |
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Same here. I bought a 9spd Dura Ace STI shifter for my 'cross bike on closeout several years ago. Wanted 9spd so I'd be able to run mountain cassettes if I decide to go touring on it. Guess that doesn't matter now...
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"All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 07:48:31 PM
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Rob
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 07:48:31 PM » |
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Looks like SRAM X0 went 10 speed too.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 11:23:07 PM
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phil_rad
Location: Gelnhausen, Germany
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 11:23:07 PM » |
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Might be a good time to pick up on some "old" XTR stuff on sale. 9 speed is enough I think, and the 10 chains wear out too fast.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 04:55:09 AM
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Rob
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 04:55:09 AM » |
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Why would a 10 speed chain would wear faster than a 9? Have you experienced this in a fairly equal comparison?
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 06:26:41 AM
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phil_rad
Location: Gelnhausen, Germany
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 06:26:41 AM » |
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A ten speed chain is slightly narrower maybe thats why it wears faster. I have a ten speed cassette on my cross bike and I'm averaging about 740 miles per chain. On my mountainbike I change about every 1000 miles or so. My mtb is mostly ridden in the dirt whereas my cross bike is mostly pavement, It's a roadbike substitute for me.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 06:32:58 AM
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fat bob
Location: Denver, CO
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 06:32:58 AM » |
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It's all about $.... there really is no need for so many cogs. With the ever increasing popularity of SS and so many people modifying geared cogs to fit SS hubs in 3-6 spd configurations, you'd think that the component manufacturers would clue in.... classic.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 06:57:33 AM
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jonesy792
Location: Tucson AZ
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 06:57:33 AM » |
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There is no need for that many cogs but there are roadies who buy mountain bikes and probably feel lost without the extra gear
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 07:01:04 AM
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bmike-vt
Location: Horgen, Switzerland
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 07:01:04 AM » |
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i'd love to get a 2x4 or 2x6 setup running on the mtb (and maybe even my rando long distance road rig...)
i've been running campy 10sp on my road rig for 3 years. upkeep and spending $$$ on chains gets old.
would love to go back to 9spd, but that costs $$ too.
maybe build up an eno wheel for fixed and be done with it.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 07:04:51 AM
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phil_rad
Location: Gelnhausen, Germany
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 07:04:51 AM » |
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I agree. Whats next? 11, 12 13...... Maybe I should just ride my single speed bike and get rid of all those dang gears! |
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 07:46:02 AM
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jonesy792
Location: Tucson AZ
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 07:46:02 AM » |
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I wouldn't joke about that, they're already making 11speed for the road
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 08:19:44 AM
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wookieone
Location: Gunnison, Colorado
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 08:19:44 AM » |
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I am just glad to hear not everyone is excited about more gears, more upkeep, I mean 10 speed is finicky on road bikes, but on mountain bikes? Maintainence nightmare! good to hear you all aren't fooled....
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 08:53:41 AM
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krefs
Location: Prescott, AZ
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 08:53:41 AM » |
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Damn, I hope SRAM keeps a 9-speed X0 option!
I still run 9 on my cross bikes, and am moving toward 2x9 on the mountain bikes, and both work just fine for me for just about every kind of riding. And the more rapid wear of 9 speed chains compared to 8 speed is very noticeable, so how long is a 10 speed mountain chain going to last? Half that of an 8 would be my guess...
Lousy "progress."
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 10:33:47 AM
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chuckc1971
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 10:33:47 AM » |
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I generally agree. Most of the push to 10 speed is to get everyone on a double crankset which allows better shifting in the front. Supposedly, shifting of a triple crankset has been the Achilles heel of road and mountain bikes. Now, with the double and a larger cassette you can keep the same gearing range as a triple for the most part.
From a bikepacking standpoint, the big advantage (if there is one) is that a 9 speed triple crank will work with a 10 speed mountain cassette (SRAM XX). Specialized is already spec'ing bikes out of the factory that way. I know there is the 9 speed Shimano 36t cassette available, but it's a boat anchor. Now, you have the potential of a 22 or 20x36 low gear and all you could ever want in the big ring for extended road sections and have a bike that is regular XC ready. If the durability concerns are no more than current, I will probably shift that way in the future.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 04:13:19 PM
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12wheels
Bolder Bikepacking Gear
Location: Boulder, CO
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 04:13:19 PM » |
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No thanks. 10 speed is just another marketing ploy to get folks to buy more gear. If I were younger and had healthy knees I'd ride singlespeed.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 08:17:11 PM
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Pivvay
Riding and exploring
Location: Westminster, CO
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 08:17:11 PM » |
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12wheels - as a total aside, SS isn't as hard on people's knees as most would suspect. I know some have tried it and have issues but most don't experience knee problems since you'll stand so much early on. Just don't sit and crank until you get stronger and have some more time SSing. If you've tried it and it gives you problems my apologies. My pops is almost 60 and had knee surgery and loves riding his GF Rig.
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 09:56:09 PM
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protoceratops
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 09:56:09 PM » |
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12wheels - I ride SS, and I am old and heavy. Fixed on the road, at least where the whole ride isn't relentless climbing. Not as bad as you might think. It does take some adaptation, of course.
Also, my mid 80's Stumpjumper has the 5-speed FW with 15-30. Twice as many gears for what?
With the 5-speed spacing, that 36 is just one more gear...maybe I should upgrade to 6-speed now, eh?
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Topic Name: New XTR, XT, SLX=10 speed with 11/36 cassettes
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Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 08:24:15 AM
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wookieone
Location: Gunnison, Colorado
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 08:24:15 AM » |
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The problem with all this is you get more cogs stuffed into the same size space, thus a smaller distance between the cogs and therefor it takes less gunk, dirt, in the drivetrain or cables & housing or the slightest bend in the derailer or hanger and the S#%T doesn't shift or stay in gear well at all. This may work ok on road bikes where dirt and the oppurtunity to bash your bike on rocks is far less, but for Mountain Bikes, I mean real mountain bikes the ones you want to ride far far into the mounatin and ride home, it is a bad idea. Jefe
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