Tangle frame bag vs Ogre frame bag

[stumpyfsr]

Hello, everyone!
I have a Motobecane Fly Team 29er and wanna get a frame bag for it. Frame size is 15.5.
I'm considering either Tangle Frame Bag from Relevate Designs or their Ogre-specific frame bag in XS size.
It'll be nice to have a bottle-cage and a frame bag attached. So, my question is how much of extra room I'll get if choose Ogre bag? Is it worth of sacrificing a water bottle mount?
Thanks for any suggestion in advance

[D45yth]

I don't think you would even have space for a water bottle with a tangle bag attached.   I've a Jandd frame pack on an 18" frame and my bottle still touches the bottom of it.  Check everything twice with a tape measure before you buy anything.

[stumpyfsr]

I don't think you would even have space for a water bottle with a tangle bag attached.   I've a Jandd frame pack on an 18" frame and my bottle still touches the bottom of it.  Check everything twice with a tape measure before you buy anything.

That's what my question about, is Tangle Bag really worth of buying if bottles won't fit (at least on small frames). I don't know how Ogre bag will work near chainrings but will probably try it on. The Ogre bag is 25 cu inch bigger - it always help to have an extra room for spare tube.
Thanks for reply

[hikernks]

I have a 16" Karate Monkey, and have both a frame bag and a tangle bag.  What do you intend to do with it?  For overnights, definitely get a frame bag, bc like others have said, you won't be able to run bottles with a tangle bag.  Using a frame bag, you can carry up to 5L ( at least I can).  For overnight bikepacking, I use the frame bag, but if I'm looking for light and fast - day use - I use the tangle with a 2 or 3 L bladder.  My decision was to get a custom frame bag from Jeremy Cleaveland (Cleaveland Mountaineering- he's in the For Sale section here).  I think mine was $170, but you could get a base model, again, custom made for your bike, for around $150.  That way you know everything fits.  Hope this helps.

[stumpyfsr]

Thank you for reply. I wanna do extended trips 2+ days. So now I see that full-frame bag is what I need. For one day ride I usually use my Camelback Octane 24 - fits everything necessary.