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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy on: December 17, 2008, 08:04:53 PM
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« on: December 17, 2008, 08:04:53 PM »

     Sorry to ask so many dumb questions,  but I'm trying to gear up on short notice.  A friend and myself are plotting a trip fairly soon.  I was wondering if anyone could tell me the differences between a tarptent and a bivy.  Setup time?  Sleep quality?  And whatever else?  I'm leaning towards the Tarptent Contrail.  Man, this stuff is expensive.  Thanks. 
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 10:19:12 AM
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 10:19:12 AM »

Briefly,

Tarptent - heavier, bulkier, longer setup but more comfortable, esp. for rain and bugs.

Bivvy - light, simple setup, not so good if raining or buggy.

In AZ bugs are rarely a problem.  Often rain isn't an issue for short trips, too.  On 95% of my trips I've carried only a minimal bivy bag (this one: http://www.bikepacking.net/reviews/shelters/adventure-medical-emergency-bivy/), but that route isn't for everyone.  It sure makes the riding easier / more enjoyable.

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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 10:29:58 AM
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 10:29:58 AM »

I've been working on this question for myself as well.  In general, a bivy will be lighter, pack smaller, be cheaper, and no need for a pole like many tarp tents.  Though, they may also be more humid inside in warm weather, have little room for storage of gear inside, and you might have to take a tarp to stay dry.  I'm using a hammock these days, but could be inclined to take a thick inflatable pad and bivy if it was really cold.
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 10:33:49 AM
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 10:33:49 AM »

That's a good point about bivvy bags -- they do get humid / hot.  I generally put my pad and sleeping bag on top of my bivvy bag unless it looks like rain.  Sometimes I end up getting inside the bivvy later in the night if I'm getting cold.  In other words I avoid sleeping all night in the bivy so things don't get too wet.

Would love to try a hammock, but we have a shortage of trees 'round here.  Saguaros -- don't think so.   nono
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 11:28:14 AM
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 11:28:14 AM »

I ordered the tarptent,  Also ordered the phantom 32 sleeping bag.  I might go ahead and get that bivy since it's only $30.  You can't have too much gear, can you?  If I order much more,  I may be living in the tarptent.  Kicked out for breaking the bank. 
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 12:50:05 PM
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 12:50:05 PM »

Looks like you've got a plan.

I'm attacking the shelter question on many gear fronts as well(tent, tarp tent, tent/bivy thing), only my equation involves winter camping as well as summer.

My goals were:
1)Cut my shelter weight at least in half.
2)Remain dry and keep critters out.
3)Minimize setup time and complexity as much as possible.

I looked at tarps, but I don't live in the desert, when it rains here we have mud and running water. I need a floor of some sort. The Bilgy tarp tent fit the weight and dryness mark for me, but it's still a tarp and requires staking out and a fair amount of room to do so. I need the sewing practice, and I think it'll make a nice way to go in the slower paced summer rides, so I ordered a kit to play with.

I looked at bivies, but they all suffer from condensation, and don't deal with precip all that well by themselves. You still need a tarp or something to keep dry in the light ones, and the ones that are considered weatherproof for winter weigh almost as much as a tent and still have poles and/or staking to deal with. Most of the bivies on the market seem to use so called waterproof/breathable fabrics to deal with condensation somewhat, but cost as much as a tent and still aren't rid of the condensation problem as the fabric still lies directly on your sleeping bag. From what I understand, part of what makes tents/tarps more livable is the airflow through, keeping moisture evaporating out most of the time. And then there's getting in and out of the thing. I just don't see myself struggling to wriggle into a bivy after being totally beat and freezing or getting caught in a middle of the night rainstorm as a good thing.

So I ended up settling on something somewhere between: http://www.nemoequipment.com/nemo08-gogo-tent
It's pretty small, it'll keep the water and critters out and my gear dry, can be set up from inside, no poles to deal with(till I pop one of the bladders on a cactus, but it can be converted), and it's less than half the weight of my tent(2lbs). I'd like to leave my bag inside and just roll the whole thing up and strap it to my bars for an instant shelter roll, but we'll see how much condensation ends up on the ceiling first. May not hold up to high winds either, but then it just becomes a big flat bivy. Either way, I'm gonna give it a shot.

For a ton of background reading on everything lightweight camping you should check out www.backpackinglight.com. It's been a great learning resource for a lightweight camping gumby like me.

DG

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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 07:45:32 PM »

Hey Jobes,
   Just an FYI, you can build your own hammock for about 20 bucks.  It's at least worth a try.  I don't think I'll ever go back to ground (unless I make it out to the AZT).
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 08:27:02 PM
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 08:27:02 PM »

That sounds awesome.  I do live in Tucson though, still that sparks my interest,  how do you build a Hammock for $20?  Sounds cool.
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 05:02:22 PM
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 05:02:22 PM »

Go to a local Walmart and head to the fabric dept.  They usually have a section of fabric for around a dollar a yard (maybe 1.50).  Buy some nylon fabric (anything that feels good and doesn't stretch).  Buy 3 yards or so.  The following link will walk you through the rest.  It's easy, cheap, and worth a shot. 
http://www.tothewoods.net/HomemadeHammock.html
You don't even have to sew anything, you can just buy some fray blocker and put it on the edges and you're good to go.  I sew mine but the blocker stuff works well. 
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 12:59:37 AM
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 12:59:37 AM »

Wanted to share mij poncho setup. Tarp/bivy setup, we have a lot of rainy days in the Netherlands  sad2
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 08:47:37 PM
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 08:47:37 PM »

that's pretty slick
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 02:52:42 PM
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 02:52:42 PM »

Wanted to share mij poncho setup. Tarp/bivy setup, we have a lot of rainy days in the Netherlands  sad2

That looks like a nice way to vent a bivy and make it somewhat hooped with out having a pole.  I think I like it.  What do you do to keep the rain from running down the cord into your bag? 
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  Topic Name: Tarptent vs. Bivy Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 11:59:46 AM
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 11:59:46 AM »

That looks like a nice way to vent a bivy and make it somewhat hooped with out having a pole.  I think I like it.  What do you do to keep the rain from running down the cord into your bag? 


It`s not a setup suited for rain. The other side is also too low so rains comes in.
Pro`s:1 side open for the wind and 1 attacment point
If it rains, I make a ordinary A-frame.
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