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  Topic Name: Tent questions on: October 20, 2008, 09:10:09 AM
Luis


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« on: October 20, 2008, 09:10:09 AM »

I want to invest in a shelter option that I can use for both solo trips and trips with the wife. Tarps are not really an option, mosquitoes will masacre you in FL.

 Any recommendations for a 2P tent that packs small and doesn't weigh a ton. Currently use a Sierra Designs that weighs +/- 6lbs.  Not the lightest out there that's for sure. 

Also for those that use tents where do you carry it? Rolled up on the handlebars or in the pack? 
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 11:04:17 AM
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 11:04:17 AM »

would you ever consider a hammock?  You can't fit 2 people in them but can usually hang them very close to eachother.  Way comfy as well.  Just a thought.
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 11:51:01 AM
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 11:51:01 AM »

Yes I have.  I've been eyeing the Hennessy UL for solo trips for a while. I'm a cold sleeper, that's my main concern with the hammock... Do you use a pad inside the hammock for insulation?
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 03:53:51 PM
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 03:53:51 PM »

Luis,

There's a good lightweight shelter roundup (by Will Rietveld) over at backpackinglight.com, but it's "premier content" meaning it's only available for subscribers.  The article is a report from the September 2008 Outdoor Retailer trade show, and includes info about models coming out in the next six months.  If you can wait until spring 2009, then you'll be able to evaluate new tent models from North Face and Sierra Designs (and probably other manufacturers).

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/orsm08_lw_shelters.html

You'll need to make a fundamental decision about whether you want a hammock, a single wall tent, or a double wall tent.  If you and your wife will share a double bag then 2 hammocks won't be viable.  Do you already know whether you want single or double wall?  This article (unfortunately also for subscribers only) has good evaluation of the advantages and disadvantages of single vs double wall ...
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/double_wall_tents_review_summary.html

Here are a few bits of info from Will's article (in case you aren't a backpackinglight subscriber) that might help you make a decision...

There are several models of 2 man double-wall tents on the market now that are <4.25 pounds and plenty comfortable.  There will be several more models available in spring 2009.  You can get as low as 3.5 or 3.75 pounds for a double wall 2-person tent by giving up some features/space.  If you decide on a double-wall tent, you should look for options in the sub-4.25 pound range, with opportunity to go as low as 3.5 pounds.

Henry Shires (tarptent.com) and GossamerGear.com are very well respected for light-weight single-wall enclosed tarp tents (i.e. bug proof). 

If you want a double wall tents Will's article points out a few lightweight choices:

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 weighs three pounds, four ounces and costs US$500(I'm not sure if it's available yet).

"REI's updated T-series Quarter Dome tents (T2 shown, 4 pounds, 2 ounces, US$259), available in 1-, 2-, and 3-person versions, are well-designed, lightweight, and value priced." (available spring 2008, so already in stores).

For release in spring 2009:  "We have always liked Sierra Design's easy to set up tents, but they have always been a bit on the heavy side by our standards. For spring 2009, SD has re-designed most of their extensive tent line (seventeen new tents), and six of them now come in under our weight limits. I will highlight two of them.  The Lightning XT 2 (4 pounds, 7 ounces, US$289), a two-person freestanding double-wall tent, has two side entry doors with vestibules, and provides thirty square feet of floor space plus twenty-one square feet in the vestibules.  The VaporLight 2 (3 pounds, 12 ounces, US$329) is also freestanding and has front entry and vestibule. Floor space is 25.5 square feet, and the front vestibule adds another 8 square feet of protected area."

"Not to Be Outdone, The North Face Introduces Nineteen New Tents for Spring 2009.  Among The North Face's rollout of new tents for spring 2009, the Flight Series of single-wall tents are the lightest. The lightest in the Flight Series are the Dyad 22 (3 pounds, 9 ounces) for two people. The Dyad has a floor area of 36 square feet plus 4.5 square feet in the vestibule, lots of headroom at the front, and a good high/low ventilation system."

"Mountain Hardwear's Helion 2 Features Cutting Edge Lightweight Components.  The new Helion 2 tent (3 pounds, 5 ounces, US$395), available now, is their lightest two-person double-wall tent"

And your easy question...  Jim and I carry a two person tent on top of a rear rack.  If we eventually switch from RearRack&Pannier system to Carousel/EpicDesign system, then Jim would carry the tent on his handlebars and I would carry our 2-person Nunatak top-bag on my handlebars.

Jim and I have switched from normal-load to light-load, but have not gone to ultra-light.  One of our last hold-outs is a four pound double-wall tent.  Although much heavier than the tarp-tent options, we are quite attached to the bomb-proof convenience it provides.  We have also chosen to pay the weight penalty for two doors rather than a single front door because of the convenience and nice sense of space - not important for occasional nights out, but we've found it meaningful when out for a month or two at a time.  If most of your trips will be solo, then you might want to save the half-pound or so by choosing a single-door tent.

One more thing to think about when you choose...  Will you be stealth camping (camping where it's not technically legal)?  If so, then some models are undesirable because of the bright colors.  For example, the REI Quarterdome fly is a nice moss-green.  The MSR Hubba Hubba fly is an attention-grabbing bright yellow.  Henry Shires tarp-tents are a nice dull gray.

If I were you, I'd wait and look at the new offerings from North Face and Sierra Designs before choosing.  Both of those companies have a long history of nice tents, and it sounds like they have redesigned their whole tent line-ups to be lighter weight.

Hope this helps,
AmyL
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 04:29:05 PM
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 04:29:05 PM »

In my opinion, this is the best retail hammock:
http://www.mosquitohammock.com/nonethammock.html because it is a double layer hammock and you can slide your sleeping pad in there.  This bodes well in case you are going to places without trees.  You can use the hammock as a bivy and still have a pad!  Check hammockforums.net for a world of information.  Those people over there are VERY helpful and very supportive.  Feel free to ask them even the most basic of questions. 

I'd shy away from a Hennessy Hammock mainly because of it's small rain fly as well as the way you enter it.  I prefer a "top loading" hammock.  If you have any sewing skills at all you can make your own hammock for around 30 bucks.  Once again, the forums can help you with that. 

I sleep 100 percent better in a hammock.  No back issues and no pressure points.  Let me know if you have any other questions...

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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 01:14:59 PM
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 01:14:59 PM »

Thinking outside the box, I'm a big fan of Hilleberg tents. Super high quality and high price tags.
The Rajd might be worth a try. The Nallo 2 is an excellent double wall tent also.

Or you could get a Black Diamond or Mountain Laurel Design Mid and have mosquito netting sewn around the perimeter.
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 07:10:50 AM
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 07:10:50 AM »

Plus one on the hammock sherpa mentions.  So comfortable, warm enough down to 30 with a 1" therma-rest Campmor ripoff. 
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 07:30:49 AM
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 07:30:49 AM »

Thanks for all the responses.  Maybe a hammock for solo trips and a separate tent is the way to go.

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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 07:47:20 AM
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 07:47:20 AM »

I've been quite happy with the Henry Shires "squall" tarptent.  2 person, ~2 pounds and easy to hang from the handlebars.

My review and link here:

http://www.bikepacking.net/2008/09/13/tarptents-by-henry-shires/
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 08:18:27 AM
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 08:18:27 AM »

Wife and I are happy sharing a Black Diamond Firstlight. She's about 6" shorter than me though and that helps. I can pack it into my seatbag that Epic Designs made me no problem with other clothes and stuff.

DaveC and I used one through a rainy night in yellowstone and it worked fine too although it's definitely tighter.

I'm going to be getting a tarptent this year to try for Marni and I primarily because it's lighter than the firstlight when we don't need it's strength.
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  Topic Name: Tent questions Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 11:34:52 PM
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 11:34:52 PM »

I want to invest in a shelter option that I can use for both solo trips and trips with the wife. Tarps are not really an option, mosquitoes will masacre you in FL.

 Any recommendations for a 2P tent that packs small and doesn't weigh a ton. Currently use a Sierra Designs that weighs +/- 6lbs.  Not the lightest out there that's for sure. 

Also for those that use tents where do you carry it? Rolled up on the handlebars or in the pack? 



Maybe you are looking for a tent that can occupied many persons and easy to carry and so it yourself tent,right?



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