 Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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on: April 17, 2012, 05:30:53 AM
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kkjellquist
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I was dead set on getting a Fargo 3 when the $$ comes through but I am now scanning the specs, etc for the Ogre and I just might go that direction.
Of course the biggest difference in the 'complete' versions is drop bars vs. flat bar.
Advantages of the Ogre - slightly better spec (headset, hubs, shifters), ss ready, 1" shorter chainstays*, steeper head angle*, canti/v-brake option, Rohloff ready.
Advantages of Fargo 3 - more bottle mounting, touring geometry, $100 lower MSRP
*suspect I will like these better on the singletrack in North Carolina, but some would prefer the Fargo geometry
Just wondering if I am missing something on the Fargo. It seems to be far more popular, but other than the drop bars and marketing, why?
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 05:52:26 AM
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bmike-vt
Location: Horgen, Switzerland
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 05:52:26 AM » |
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you going to run drops or flats?
choose the ETT for whatever bars you will be running - i moved to flats on my Fargo2 and hated it after a few days, even after moving stems and tweaking positions. it felt all wrong.
are you looking for a purely single track machine?
or an all rounder / adventure touring rig? single track, forest road, dirt, gravel, pave?
my fargo is plenty happy in the woods and on the road (paved and not).
and for extended riding i'm a fan of drops for the hand positions.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 06:02:33 AM
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kkjellquist
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 06:02:33 AM » |
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My thinking is going like this.....I know I like flats for gravel road and singletrack, but I might like the drops on the Fargo. Leaning towards the Ogre w/ flats & bar ends or h-bar.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 08:06:16 AM
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cackalak
Location: Rocky Mountains
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 08:06:16 AM » |
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This is tough, as they're both great bikes from awesome companies. For me, though, I'd go Ogre. Few things--I like the SS option (I'm an avid SS and fixed rider), ability to run suspension forks, looks better (subjective, I know), versitility and cost. Regarding bottle mounts, you can always get a Fargo fork and run it on the KM.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
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kkjellquist
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 10:04:46 AM » |
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Advantages of Fargo 3 - more bottle mounting, touring geometry, Just saw a close up of the Ogre fork and it has the same rack/fender and bottle mounts as the Fargo |
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 10:20:21 AM
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cackalak
Location: Rocky Mountains
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 10:20:21 AM » |
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Just saw a close up of the Ogre fork and it has the same rack/fender and bottle mounts as the Fargo
I don't think it's got bottle cage mounts. http://surlybikes.com/parts/ogre_fork |
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 10:25:36 AM
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 10:34:59 AM
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cackalak
Location: Rocky Mountains
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 10:34:59 AM » |
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Good to know. So now, the decision is a no-brainer!
Also, I just noticed the new Fargo's have suspension-corrected geo for 80mm forks. So, essentially the same bikes, from what I can see. SS is the only option that sways me towards the Ogre, I guess.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
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bmike-vt
Location: Horgen, Switzerland
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 10:46:07 AM » |
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really wish the fargo had the alternator drops. would love to SS / FG or IGH.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 10:56:20 AM
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cackalak
Location: Rocky Mountains
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 10:56:20 AM » |
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Alternator drops are great. Not to throw another bike in, but is the El Mariachi not an option for you? The guys who took 1st and 2nd on the Divide a couple years ago were on EM's. Just add a Fargo fork.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
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kkjellquist
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 11:00:31 AM » |
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Not really...I own a GT Peace SS and a Salsa Dos Niner....so I really want a dedicated bikebacking bike.
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
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paxton coyote
Location: Paxton, Nebraska
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 11:52:47 AM » |
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it's my understanding that the Ogre & Karate Monkey are essentially the same frames, I own a KM & a 2nd generation Fargo & it's been my experience that the Fargo is superior to the KM for bikepacking, just my opinion, we may find out different as my oldest son is working towards an Ogre & it will be used primarily as a commuter/gravel road rider. I do know with the geometry & drop bars I prefer my Fargo much more in singeltrack & have only had it a year, been riding the KM since '06
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Topic Name: Salsa Fargo 3 vs. Surly Ogre
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Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
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mbeardsl
Location: NC
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 08:18:59 PM » |
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My thinking is going like this.....I know I like flats for gravel road and singletrack, but I might like the drops on the Fargo. Leaning towards the Ogre w/ flats & bar ends or h-bar.
I'd asnwer the drop question first. Some people love them, others hate them, especially on steep singeltrack as the braking and body position feel sketchy after riding flats. I have never run drops on any bike so no first hand experience but I have ridden with a few guys that were trying to get used to the drops and I'm not sure any of them did. Good for climbing/flats/different hand positions but sketchy descending and goofy handling in tight trail was the general concensus. Good luck and post up when you make a descision! |
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