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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking on: April 15, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
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« on: April 15, 2012, 10:04:17 PM »

anyone ever used one for biking trips? Curious how small they pack down to with & without the bug/floor inner part & how long does the pole break down to, I'm really needing more room in a tent for 1-3 people & some gear & like the option of leaving the inner part behind when not needed.
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 11:15:55 PM
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »

I have used the Shangri La 1 on a few bikepacking trips.  It's a great shelter, and I'd highly recommend it.  I own the nest, but have yet to use it.  I love the "modular" concept of it, being able to only take what you need for the trip. 
Here's a picture I've posted in the past of the Shangri La 1, 6 stakes, and some paracord, all rolled up inside of a Big Agnes Insulated Air Core mattress, and then inside the Big Agnes Stuff sack.  This gives you an idea of how compact you can get it.






http://gossamergear.com/shelters/shelter-accessories/tarp-pole-set.html

I bought a set of these poles, and with a few inches of trimming on them, they're perfect, and really light yet stiff.  They break down short enough to fit in a frame bag also(see below).  There are two options for pole lengths.  45" with a 32", or a 42" with a 24"...  Also added some nice wide and blunt Trekking pole ends to the ground end, which prevents them from digging in to the dirt throughout the night.

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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 06:06:36 AM
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 06:06:36 AM »

I'm looking at the Shangri La 3 so I suppose it's quite a bit bigger but it will be for 2 of us most of the time + gear & maybe a dog now & then, any idea how small it packs down to?
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 06:39:45 AM »

I got a golite shangrila 3 for a major month long winter trip two winters ago and stripped it down to something like 1lb 5oz by removing all the extraneous 6 pull straps, 6 nest hooks, 3 vent poles,  and main poles among other things. It is amazing how much all that useless stuff ads up when you have a six sided tent. I have added a little paracord back into the mix to give me more versatility in pitching it in various tarp configurations and have found myself using it even in the summer.

I absolutely love it. Indeed I love it so much i decided to experiment with a golite poncho tarp for summer use as well.  I haven't quite used the poncho tarp enough on its own yet to make any huge decisions. Mostly just with my bivy. I can say it is a SUPERB add on as a little extra protection for a bivy setup. Am looking forward to using it alone with a ground cloth, my 1lb 4oz synthetic Lafuma summer bag and my Exped Airmat. I do add in a generic Sea-To-Summit a-symetrical bug net when it gets buggy.

As for the shangri-la 1. If the golite poncho tarp turns out to be too small for my summer needs (am 6'5") I will get one. Indeed I'll probably get one anyway.

The shangria 1's simple a-symetrical design means it can be pitched like a tarp in a huge variety of ways, most simply with a single line off a tree or my bike. This makes setup extremely easy with no poles necessary.

What appeals to me most about the Shangrila 1 is the ability to be set  up a little higher and wider at the head for ease of access, headroom and superior ventilation.... "tarp like"... for beautiful summer weather.  Yet it can also be pitched as originally intended in a completely enclosed fashion for storms or winter use.  \

Indeed it is small, but 90% of the time you're not going to need to pitch it staked right down to the ground.  This means you can have your enclosed winter / storm shelter and yet also have your large, wide airy tarp for those beautiful hot summer nights.

It too would work superbly with a $35 a-symetrical sea-to-summit bug net if you wanted an alternative to the specially made nest.

Oh, and one more thing. I have sewed a bit of ground cloth directly to my bug net 3/4 round thus making it completely bug proof. No creapy crawlies. I call it a "bug bivy". Very light, very simple, very effective and inexpensive to boot.   I suppose I could just buy a shangri-la 1 nest or shangri-la 2 nest... and one day I might, but it's all the same. Am pleased with my own hack at the moment.

I'll try to post some pictures of my shangri-la 3 pitched in various tarp like configurations that you might get some inspiration on just how versatile the golite series are.

I think part of the reason I've fallen in love with these tents is because I always used to think a free standing single wall tent like the henry shire double rainbow or indeed my MSR Fling were the way to go. Boy was I naive.

Hundreds of s24o / s48o trips and some large trips lasting weeks and even over a month over the last few years in both winter and summer conditions have taught me that there is no such thing as a perfect solition for all conditions. There is only the right shelter for the right conditions on the right trip. s24o trips in addition to being superb grounds for rapid and low risk experimentation have evolved and informed my decisions so much I can barely identify with the choices I was making three or four years ago.

In the tech startup industry we have a saying. "Fail quickly."  It is the key to learning and success. s24o are superb in that respect.

Indeed it is the evolution I've gone through with bikepacking and UL touring that I love the most. I no longer look for off the shelf solutions, instead I'm looking for versatile tools that can be capitalized on best with experimentation, experience and skill... what you carry in your head weighs nothing.

A tarp is lighter and more versatile then a tent if you take the time to learn how to use it.

Alcohol or even wood are lighter and more versatile and enjoyable then an Jetboil if take the time to learn where to find fuel and how to most effciently harness them.

Don't purchase a "cook kit". Take the time to assemble on piece by piece.

So too it goes with shelter.

The golite shangrila series are more elemental and when you get more elemental you find you also get lighter and more versatile gear.

This still doesn't mean I'm going to ever wear my golite poncho tarp actually as a poncho, but who cares, it's 6oz and I can pitch it 15 different ways.

These tools (not solutions) are, especially when you build them yourself or modify and adapt them yourself, not only lighter because they aren't one size fits all mass produced solutions for the mass market, but they are often more effectiv for your specific needs.

You know their limitations and you know how to get the most out of them through skill and experience with them.

And finally you know how to fix them when they break because you're intimately aware of how they work and are created.

Anyone who's bike toured or bikepacked for a significant period of time knows that everything breaks. Flat tires, broken chains, broken pedals, torn sidewalls, broken derailleur and brake cables, broken spokes, broken derrailleur arms. It happens. 

I've come to love the challenge and adversity if trailside maintence and replair. It is the zen of bikepacking.

It is not your fauit, it cannot be avoided with even the best of maintence, it's not bad karma. These things are simply PART of the experience.

Rain, headwinds, adverse weather.... these things should be embraced as opportunities to learn, to rise to the challenge, to build character, to overcome, to grow. 

They are the zen of unsupported racing.  Which is why unssuported ultra-endurance races are the only type of race that interest me.

I can ride 200 miles in a day... but I have on more then one occasion walked 15 in a day or less... because of snow storms, ice storms and extreme fog.

I have single speeded 120 miiles before noon because I forgot to bring a spare derailleur cable. (I got up at 4am and had a tail wind.) 

I've ridden straight through the night on many many occasions simply because that's the only time it wasn't raining. 

I have single leg pedalled for 10 miles because I've broken a pedal axle.

The point being... that I truely loved it all. Overcoming each obstacal brought me an amazing exprience I might otherwise have missed.

I have braved snowstorms for a day of fresh tracks on a bluebird day through a mountain pass.

I have ridden all night and found a gourmet breakfast at my favorite cafe in a major metropolis on a sunday morning at 6am with 140 miles under my belt.  (I also napped at the laudrimat while doing my laundry afterward. Smiley

Life like nature is always most beautiful after the storm and hence it is best enjoyed with the satisfaction of having had overcome some adversity in the process.

It's not all sunny days and fuzzy bunnies.

That is the zen of bikepacking.

And though I have failed to bring the point full circle... if you are going for a truely free and ultralight experience then definitely go with the Shangrila 1. 

Be aware it is best utilized if you take the time to experiment with it fully.  Try different pitch techniques. Try it with and without bug net. Try it in the winter. Try it in the summer. Rainstorms. Try it without carrying poles off a tree or your bike or with sticks and other found objects.  Contemplate trimming off or out excess plastic nest hooks which really should be attached to the nest anyway, nylon pulls and straps, the poles built into the ridgeline vents, these are all "optional" in my opinion.  Then try adding back in some lightweight para cord to give you that versatility to pitch it high to catch some breeze on a hot summer night... or like a tarp over a picnic table to cook and eat at on a rainy day.
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 06:44:38 AM
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 06:44:38 AM »

I'm looking at the Shangri La 3 so I suppose it's quite a bit bigger but it will be for 2 of us most of the time + gear & maybe a dog now & then, any idea how small it packs down to?

What is your intended use?

I highly endorse the SL3 but have you considered that the SL2 can be pitched a little higher and with the wings further outstretched for more room and breathability?

You really only need to stake it out low for the most extreme of conditions like winter use or a big storm with sideways rain.
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 11:52:24 AM
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 11:52:24 AM »

I have the Hex3(the precursor to the ShangriLa). It's folding alloy pole has sections about 18" long. The other thing you can do is string it between trees, just bring a nice and long piece of cord and use your stake sack as a rockbag to launch it over two trees and clip the tent to the middle.

I am not sure what you mean with packed size of the tent itself, since it is just fabric you can roll or fold it up many different ways. The only accurate measurement you can get is weight.
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 11:57:19 AM
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 11:57:19 AM »

intended use will be mostly overnighters on the bike with my 2 sons & I mostly spring/summer/fall so the inside nest will be in use for part of the year as we have a fair amount of skeeters in western Nebraska, I can't seem to find how small the 3 packs down to with the nest & pole, just the weight, oh & I WILL need the pole a majority of the time, we are in the hills with trees few & far in between!
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 05:21:38 PM »

It's gonna pack down smaller than just about any other option...  The nest will be about the same size as the fly sheet(at least in the case of the Shangri La 1)...
Here's a link with a picture for reference...
http://www.trailspace.com/gear/golite/shangri-la-3/

And another reference...
"In truth, we picked the Shangri-La 3 mainly for its light weight and small size. Packed up, the shelter measures just a little more than a foot long and just a few inches around. It weighs a scant 1 pound, 13 ounces."
http://gearjunkie.com/golite-shangri-la-3-tent

Take it for what it's worth, as I don't own the 3, but I'd be willing to bet that you could get the nest, fly sheet, and stakes into a 3L stuff sack...
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »

I have the Hex3(the precursor to the ShangriLa). It's folding alloy pole has sections about 18" long. The other thing you can do is string it between trees, just bring a nice and long piece of cord and use your stake sack as a rockbag to launch it over two trees and clip the tent to the middle.

I am not sure what you mean with packed size of the tent itself, since it is just fabric you can roll or fold it up many different ways. The only accurate measurement you can get is weight.

I have done this on multiple occasions with varied success.  Mostly I've found after a night of rain ir snow that the increased weight of the tent stretches the cord or bends the branches or trees causing the tent to droop and therefore reduce floor space tremendously in size.  Therefore I always prefer to use a stick for a center pole.  And yes... I never carry a center pole with my shangrila 3.  After a few nights you get to know just exactly how tall a stick you need.  I doubt I ever spent more then five minutes finding a stick, breaking it to the right length... sometimes with a few cuts with the knife to aid it breaking at the right height... and then for good measure I round the top. 

That said if you have to pitch using a line over a branch make sure it's really tight, the branch you tie to is extremely beefy, and if possible use as little cord as possible as it does stetch. I.E. don't suspend the tent off a branch that's 30 feet up.

Alternatively if suspending between two trees I recommend suspending the cross line very heigh. I'm not sure what's ideal, but I'd guess you'd want at least a 35-45 degree V made by the line between the two trees.

I have had little worry about pulling out the loop at the top of the tent, but still, I think a center pole is far easier on the tent then a line over a tree... not to mention more stable in wind, rain and snow.
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 07:29:50 AM
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 07:29:50 AM »

I usually use the line method. It does indeed result in a less tight pitch. I have managed to get a fairly good pitch none the less. Make sure you use spectra line rather than pure nylon, as it stretches far less when wet. I typically tie to tree trunks to get a solid anchor.


 I mainly do it because we share a sleeping bag opened up, so can not have the pole in the middle. You can angle the pole a bit, but this also reduces the tightness of the pitch and only works for a few inches.  When I camp with my family I sleep in a solo bag all the way to one side and my wife shares the opened up rectangular bag with our daughters, so a pole would need to be about 2 feet from the side, not a stable situation.


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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 09:38:21 PM »

well, i broke down & ordered the Shagri La 3 though I would consider it a 2 person tent. I must be missing something though with setting it up with both the nest & fly as it says it can be done with 4 stakes but there's supposed to be 8 stakes included (mine only came with 6) So does the nest cords hook into the fly cords/loops then you stake that out? It says the instructions are attached inside the bag but they're too vague for me! I'll be using it with just the fly as much as possible & set-up for that is a no brainer, just not sure what I'm doing wrong combining the nest/fly, maybe I need to order more stakes. It packs down quite small though & is light enough, can't wait to get it out & use it.
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  Topic Name: Golite Shangri la for bikepacking Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 06:23:45 AM
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 06:23:45 AM »

Check out rutalocura.com for their carbon stakes. 1/3 the price of the MSR ones and they ship fast!

Also neat trick with these tents if using the inner:

When you are awake, slide all the pads and bags onto one pile, then undo the inner from the stakes in the fron, this gives you a vestibule to cook etc. Then, when you go to sleep, put it back in place.
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