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on: December 31, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
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AZTtripper
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I am sure I saw some one on the Coco 250 ride pull a bladder out of his frame bag. I think it was Yuri I know it was a hardtail bike. I am getting a new frame back to steel and there is lots of room for one of those "specialized" frame bags. Anybody else done this looked like a good way to go to me puts the weight low and makes up for loosing the bottles plus gives even more in storage above.
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Reply #1 on: December 31, 2009, 03:10:09 PM
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jonesy792
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2009, 03:10:09 PM » |
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That would have been me, it was a pretty good way to carry 175oz of water without destroying my back and there was still room in the frame bag for an extra layer/hat/whatever when I was too lazy to open up my pack. The question that I have is what bladders are people preferring? I'm not in love with camelbak bladders but have been too lazy to search for a good alternative
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Reply #2 on: December 31, 2009, 05:16:53 PM
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Reply #3 on: December 31, 2009, 05:48:23 PM
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AZTtripper
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2009, 05:48:23 PM » |
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I have a 3 liter with the built in hose I would likely get another one but with out the hose. I also have the big one 9 liter I think it's like 12 years old it doesn't leak but per say but it does seem to seep a little in one spot not bad. |
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Reply #4 on: December 31, 2009, 05:54:15 PM
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2009, 05:54:15 PM » |
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That would have been me, it was a pretty good way to carry 175oz of water without destroying my back and there was still room in the frame bag for an extra layer/hat/whatever when I was too lazy to open up my pack. The question that I have is what bladders are people preferring? I'm not in love with camelbak bladders but have been too lazy to search for a good alternative
Wow that's a lot so do you drink from it while riding or just use it as storage and refill a bladder in the pack. How did it feel on the bike seems like it would be a good place for the weight. I like my MSR I have used most of them don't really like camel except for putting ice in platypus isn't much better IMO I do use the camel bit tho I like it better then what came on the MSR. |
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Reply #5 on: December 31, 2009, 06:06:36 PM
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sean salach
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2009, 06:06:36 PM » |
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My favorite bladders by far have actually been the cheapest. I bought one of those $10 High Sierra hydration packs from Costco. The bladder friggen rules. It's got this fold and slide closure that is unbelievably easy to open, fill, wash and close. After using camelbacks with their retarded closure that's really easy to overtorque when closing and then next to impossible to open, it 's become my go-to bladder.
Looking at their website though, it seems they've apparently switched to a screw-on lid.... Glad I got mine while the getting was good.
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Reply #6 on: December 31, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
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sean salach
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Reply #7 on: December 31, 2009, 06:45:51 PM
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WillyK
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2009, 06:45:51 PM » |
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...one of those "specialized" frame bags.
Hilarious!! Good one AZTtripper. I've carried my extra water inside the main triangle before, it's a good place for the extra weight to be. I don't notice it while riding, just when hike-a-biking. I have an MSR dromedary bag too, the older heavy duty version (vs. the drom light), no complaints with it. I drink from that when I stop, and use it to refill my pack bladder. It makes a good pillow when half filled with air, too. (learned that one from DaveC) |
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Reply #8 on: January 01, 2010, 03:35:14 AM
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They still call it a Zip closure looks like they added a slider to help with the zipping that was the problem with them before it was a pain to get it completely closed. I've seen the costco one's before as I recall they are a coated fabric like the MSR as I recall they came in a cheesy little pack. Funny that Camel can't come up with a better system I doubt that the costco one was put together by a "specialized" bike pack company. More then likely just a couple of corporate hacks get the assignment "come up with a water bladder and pack". Seems like a smart no nonsense design it was probably cheep to produce as well. |
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Reply #9 on: January 01, 2010, 03:42:58 AM
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2010, 03:42:58 AM » |
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Hilarious!! Good one AZTtripper.
I've carried my extra water inside the main triangle before, it's a good place for the extra weight to be. I don't notice it while riding, just when hike-a-biking.
I have an MSR dromedary bag too, the older heavy duty version (vs. the drom light), no complaints with it. I drink from that when I stop, and use it to refill my pack bladder. It makes a good pillow when half filled with air, too. (learned that one from DaveC)
I like the pillow idea my old is the heavy duty as well not sure when the red lighter ones came out. What size do you have? |
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Reply #10 on: January 01, 2010, 07:17:05 AM
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sean salach
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2010, 07:17:05 AM » |
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The costco one I have looks alot like the Platypus bladder. Clear poly'whatever'. The top just folds over and then the slider slides into place. Super simple, easy to do with gloves on. I wouldn't trust it outside of a bag fitted to the bladder though, as jostling in a frame bag could possibly move the slider out of position.
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Reply #11 on: January 01, 2010, 07:40:17 AM
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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2010, 07:40:17 AM » |
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I just went and checked out bags at the Epic Design web site looks like Eric puts in a "specialized" port for a bladder hose. I be looking at getting another MSR their screw lid works great, the one with the hose built in most likely. That gives me 3 liters on the back and 3 in the frame bag that's almost enough to do the longest stretch on the AZT 300. And then I can always throw a store bought bottle in either pack.
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Reply #12 on: January 01, 2010, 03:14:37 PM
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jonesy792
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2010, 03:14:37 PM » |
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Wow that's a lot so do you drink from it while riding or just use it as storage and refill a bladder in the pack. How did it feel on the bike seems like it would be a good place for the weight. I swap bladders when the one in my pack is empty. The weight distribution works pretty well, the seat bag affects the handling more than the frame bag does. |
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Reply #13 on: January 01, 2010, 03:53:18 PM
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AZTtripper
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2010, 03:53:18 PM » |
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Great thanks for all of the replies. Looks like I need to get in touch with Eric and get in the que for a new frame bag. Not sure I would need the hose port I think I would just get a 3 liter MSR and then get the extra lid that has a small spout.
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Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 06:35:36 PM
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WillyK
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 06:35:36 PM » |
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I like the pillow idea my old is the heavy duty as well not sure when the red lighter ones came out.
What size do you have?
It's little 2L one, I'm thinking about getting a 4 or 6L when it's time to replace the pack bladder. Bigger pillow would be nice, too. |
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Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
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jonesy792
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 08:47:23 PM » |
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It makes a good pillow when half filled with air, too. (learned that one from DaveC)
mabe its because I'm too lazy to dig out the bladder for bedtime but I've just use my pack as a pillow and its been working fine for me, no chance of puncturing a bladder either |
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Reply #16 on: January 05, 2010, 01:18:22 PM
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WillyK
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2010, 01:18:22 PM » |
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I've just use my pack as a pillow and its been working fine for me, no chance of puncturing a bladder either
I've been there, Jonesy. My pack always has food and food wrappers in it and even if I took it all out I think it would still smell like food to an animal with a keen sense of smell. With 90+% of my bikepacking in bear country, and 50+% in Grizzly habitat, (not to mention wolves, big cats, skunks ....) I don't really want the bait under my head, or anywhere close. The air pillow is way more comfy than any pack or piece of clothing I've used as a pillow. The dromedary bags are super tough material, can't imagine what I'd have to do to puncture one. YMMV |
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Reply #17 on: January 12, 2010, 03:03:40 PM
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2010, 03:03:40 PM » |
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Anyone have a tip for keeping the hose out of the way? I sometimes use a bladder in the frame bag, but find I have to keep pushing the hose almost all the way back down into the bag, or it starts catching on things. Didn't think of getting a hydration hole when I ordered the bag...  |
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Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
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jonesy792
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 03:53:13 PM » |
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Anyone have a tip for keeping the hose out of the way? I sometimes use a bladder in the frame bag, but find I have to keep pushing the hose almost all the way back down into the bag, or it starts catching on things. Didn't think of getting a hydration hole when I ordered the bag... I tried drinking out of the bag for the first time last weekend and had good luck keeping the hose out of the way by weaving it around my lights and stem area |
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Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 07:03:17 PM
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 07:03:17 PM » |
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Anyone have a tip for keeping the hose out of the way? I sometimes use a bladder in the frame bag, but find I have to keep pushing the hose almost all the way back down into the bag, or it starts catching on things. Didn't think of getting a hydration hole when I ordered the bag... For CTR last year I used a Jans frame pack with 100oz bladder. To keep the hose under control I used 2 retractable "badge tags", a very small light retractable cord (think fishing line weight). Worked great, look near the keys sections of the local hardware store. |
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