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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing on: March 14, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
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« on: March 14, 2013, 12:15:22 PM »

Does anyone know of coverage for accident and or extraction coverage while bikepack racing? I looked into travel insurance but don't know if it would cover bikepack racing or not. I know spot offers extraction coverage for $12.95 per year but I don't think it would cover any medical.

Thanks in advance!
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 02:06:09 PM
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 02:06:09 PM »

I'm glad I have good health insurance.  The helicopter ride from Condon, MT to Missoula was $25,000, for a distance of 38 miles!
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 05:21:03 PM
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 05:21:03 PM »

Ya the extraction cost is what I fear most. I think I am going to get the spot tracker and get their yearly coverage and their supplemental extraction coverage which is only $12.95 per year which covers up to $50,000 per extraction and can be used twice per year.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 06:47:05 PM »

I second the Spot coverage. I've never had to use it, but it seems like a good deal.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 06:48:29 PM
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 06:48:29 PM »

A friend of mine has Adventure insurance thru his work.

Basically the same thing as the Spot insurance, covers the remote part of the rescue. If needed of course.

Just don't be to Yuppy 911 guy, just kidding. Clearly most all on here would never push the panic button for some lame non issue.

The Spot insurance seems like a good way to go.

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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 07:01:13 PM
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 07:01:13 PM »

My worry is that if I am in the middle of no where, even a badly sprained ankle or worse yet a broken bone might make it impossible to walk or pedal to safety. I figure with the spot tracker and their service my family can keep track of me when I am out alone on long rides and if something bad happens at least I can get out without breaking the bank! Often times the places I ride would require quite a bit of work to get to me.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #6 on: March 15, 2013, 07:26:40 AM
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2013, 07:26:40 AM »

Whatever Tim, I'm totally using the panic button for some delicious hot chocolate if needed.. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/when-gps-leads-to-s-o-s.html?_r=0
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #7 on: March 15, 2013, 07:30:34 AM
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2013, 07:30:34 AM »

Whatever Tim, I'm totally using the panic button for some delicious hot chocolate if needed.. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/when-gps-leads-to-s-o-s.html?_r=0


If the helicopter can get it to me hot with whipped cream, I am down for that!
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #8 on: March 15, 2013, 11:17:13 AM
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2013, 11:17:13 AM »

Here's my favorite example of locator abuse: http://www.wildsnow.com/2323/plb-rescue-beacon-acr/

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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #9 on: March 15, 2013, 03:09:54 PM
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2013, 03:09:54 PM »

COSAR Card

If you do muilti day in Colorado buy a COSAR card

http://www.coloradotrail.org/corsar.html

While the COSAR card will not pay for a helicopter it will pay local rescue charges--also any extra moneys at the end of the yr go to local SAR training costs

I do not remember exact costs but my COSAR card saved me about $1500 when I was pulled off the Colorado Trail during the 2008 CTR with a 8 inch long bone deep cut on my leg --well worth the $12 for 5 yrs coverage!!
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #10 on: March 15, 2013, 03:36:37 PM
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2013, 03:36:37 PM »

Toby that one is classic but at least that guy was just clueless. Not knowing what was going on is a poor excuse but better then the Canyon story. They admitted that they wouldn't have even attempted the route with out the spot.

Way back in 97 in Idaho I heard about some one calling in on a cell phone giving their exact coordinates from the GPS unit. But they were lost and didn't know how to get back to the car.

Can't find the old thread from http://www.mountainproject.com/ but the rescue went down on Sheepshead. Long bolted climb with bolted anchors, the couple just kept moving up as the sun was going down. Once it got dark they pulled out the cell and called 911. You rap the route they could have started down at any time just chose not to.

One of the Spot features that I like is the help, not 911 button. Getting help from friends, non life threatening stuff, makes more sense then calling in a full rescue. Plus it's a lot cheaper.

Carry the spot get the insurance, then ride like you don't have it. If something bad does happen use it and at least your covered from loosing your life savings.

The one where the family sued for 5 mil is not cool. The guy got himself in trouble and now SAR people risk loosing funding.

Back in 97 I was thinking of getting into paragliding. To join the hang gliding paragliding association you had to sign a no sue agreement, even family was not to sue for your choice to fly. Sad thing is the guy who gave me some mags with the the no sue paper work lost his son in a hang gliding accident.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #11 on: March 15, 2013, 04:10:59 PM
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2013, 04:10:59 PM »

One benefit of locators is that when someone does need help, the "search" part of search & rescue is hugely minimized. I've got some buddies who work in the field, and they tell me that searching is typically the most expensive and dangerous part of their jobs. If they know where someone is, they can more easily evaluate risks and properly assign resources. That's good stuff.

I carry a Spot, and I've used it once. I came across a guy in Canyonlands who appeared to be dying. A ranger arrived as I was evaluating the guy. He was unable to use his radio (out of range), and asked me to activate my Spot. The helicopter got there quickly, and they guy lived. Turns out he had a collapsible stent, and would have probably died had he not gotten out quickly. It felt pretty damn good to help save someone's life.

While it's fun to ridicule the morons who punch yuppie 911, I think that overall Spots are great tools. Shorter rescue times are good for victims and their rescuers.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #12 on: March 16, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2013, 10:13:27 PM »

Does anyone know of coverage for accident and or extraction coverage while bikepack racing? I looked into travel insurance but don't know if it would cover bikepack racing or not. I know spot offers extraction coverage for $12.95 per year but I don't think it would cover any medical.

Thanks in advance!

I use the SPOT GEOS Evac insurance.  Been a while since I’ve looked at it and it may have changed, but I thought it covered up to 100 k evac and up to 10 k medical.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #13 on: March 17, 2013, 08:47:10 AM
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2013, 08:47:10 AM »

I use the SPOT GEOS Evac insurance.  Been a while since I’ve looked at it and it may have changed, but I thought it covered up to 100 k evac and up to 10 k medical.

From the GEOS web site:
GEOS SAR TERMS AND CONDITIONS

GEOS SAR is a prepaid private Search and Rescue membership program and is not an insurance plan, travel insurance policy nor a healthcare plan and, therefore, GEOS will not reimburse members for expenses they incur on their own.

MEMBER BENEFIT LEVEL

For additional necessary and reasonable search and rescue (SAR) expenses (including helicopter with prior approval from the GEOS IERCC), up to US$100,000 per subscriber in any 12 month period with a limit of US$50,000 for any one claim by a member who summons emergency (911/SOS) assistance as a result of an accident or other life threatening circumstance by activating their GEOS-approved device. See Note below.

This entitlement extends for a period not exceeding 72 hours from the time of the call for assistance, which is necessary to prevent further injury or illness or danger to human life as a result of an unforeseeable emergency where the appropriate rescue authorities recommend the dispatch of a Search and Rescue team, and such dispatch is further authorised and provided through the GEOS International Emergency Response Coordination Center (IERCC).

The GEOS SAR entitlement extends all countries of the World subject to the following excluded territories:
Excluded territories: -

-  Afghanistan
-  Chechnya
-  Democratic Republic of Congo
-  Iraq
-  Israel (West Bank, Gaza and the Occupied Territories only)
-  Somalia

EXCLUSIONS

The entitlement will not apply in the following circumstances: -

-  Circumstances which could have reasonably been anticipated at the date the trip began
    e.g. forecast of adverse weather conditions
-  Emergency caused by inadequate provision or training or competence needed to complete the planned trip
-  Cost incurred due to a pre existing or chronic condition or mental disorder of the member including self-harm
   or suicide attempt.
-  Emergency caused by any natural climate disaster
-  Any cost incurred to emergency arising from riots, civil unrest or conflict including civil wars or kidnaps or any
   Biological, Nuclear or Chemical events
-  Cost incurred by any member participating in any war or military action
-  Costs arising from any illegal use of a weapon
-  Accidents arising from sky diving or sky surfing
-  Accidents arising from hang gliding or paragliding
-  Where any accident, injury or illness arises from the use of drugs or alcohol
-  Costs covered by any other insurance policy of your own or;
-  For any incident caused by a third party where costs can be recovered from that third party

NOTE: The GEOS International Emergency Response Coordination Center (IERCC) will not refuse to call out additional emergency response services when advised by 'first responders' that such additional services will be necessary. In such cases where a Member activates their emergency (911/SOS) signal for an emergency and it later transpires that the additional rescue service was not required or covered by the terms and conditions of the Search and Rescue Benefit cover, the member will be liable for the whole cost.

PLEASE NOTE The member must first claim against their existing Medical Insurance. The GEOS Membership Search and Rescue entitlement is for any additional costs incurred or those costs not covered by existing medical cover.

All claims for reimbursement under the Members Search & Rescue Benefit are dealt with by our Underwriters
and their decision is final.

CLAIMS

-   Claims should be made direct through the GEOS Members web site which can be accessed using the user name and
   password provided to you for access to the GEOS Members site
-   All claims are dealt with by the GEOS Underwriters at Lloyd's
-   To support claims the member must provide a signed 'Release' for the disclosure to GEOS by the medical aid provider
   of all medical services, and treatment, provided in relation to the incident and full details of any other Insurance cover
   held.

Up to $100,000 of Search and Rescue Benefits

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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #14 on: March 17, 2013, 09:25:39 AM
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2013, 09:25:39 AM »

Not as good as I remember it, but still totally worth it.  Even an ambulance ride can hit 20k pretty quick. Layer up with a travel insurance thing for an event and you're probably doing the best a person reasonably can.  If something did happen, chances are they will try to deny you coverage on some grounds, but you’ll only be out $12 a month and maybe have a fighting chance to sue.

Also, if you have car insurance you may have some coverage as a non motorist.  That saved my butt when I had a 45k bill after getting hit by a truck on the divide a few years ago.  About 12 months of a lawyer going back and forth with the hospital we were able to get all the medical bills knocked down to a level that I could cover them with my non motorist coverage and my little bit of savings.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #15 on: March 17, 2013, 09:30:18 AM
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2013, 09:30:18 AM »

Oh, I guess the non-motorist coverage would probably only apply if you get hit by a car, but something good to know about.
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #16 on: March 17, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2013, 04:11:13 PM »

I travel internationally for both business and pleasure. I have an insurance called Global Rescue. It is emergency evacuation insurance. If you were to get hurt in the bush in Africa for example, they will not only arrange a flight out of the bush from the nearest airstrip, but they will fly you home to the USA if your health situation requires it. Some of these international coverages are just transportation from know airstrips to the closest medical facility.

They even have, which I do have. An extraction service. If you were to get kidnapped in South America or were to become a hostage of a tyrannical rebel somewhere in the Central African Republic, they will dispatch a team of mercenaries to extract you in a "paramilitary manner".

A bit extreme for a North American bike race, I agree but it just shows the extremes this service will go too. The "Non-Military" component is about 300.00 a year. It is good all over the globe, INCLUDING DRC, and some of those other listed global hotspots. The executive extraction option is about another 300.00.    www.globalrescue.com

I pray I never need it.

Steve
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 07:43:54 PM
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 07:43:54 PM »

I will be getting some good health insurance soon as well as insurance for rescue/extraction.  After what happened to me last year on the Divide it just seems like a good idea.  I racked up 14,000 in medical bills mainly in the form of MRI's, X-rays, PT etc from my knee dislocation.  This year I am getting covered!
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #18 on: March 20, 2013, 07:47:25 PM
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2013, 07:47:25 PM »

Oh, and if any of you are American Alpine Club (AAC) member's you get 10,000 in rescue insurance just for being a member which is about 40 dollars per year...not a bad deal.  You also get a discount on Global Rescue insurance as well. 
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  Topic Name: Accident and extraction coverage for bikepacking racing Reply #19 on: March 20, 2013, 07:59:49 PM
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2013, 07:59:49 PM »

Hi Foster,
Can you tell me what happened to you last year? I live just down the hill from you in Peoria.

Steve
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