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Reply #480 on: June 16, 2011, 12:37:21 PM
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LyndaW
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Does someone have the link to the smart phone TD tracking app? I think it only exists for the droid but not for the iphone?
Seems to be working at the 5-10 min intervals I have to keep checking in on my iphone http://bluedot.mobi/tl/tourdivide/tourdivide.phpGo Jefe! Go Kurt! Go Caroline! Go everyone else too :-) |
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Reply #481 on: June 16, 2011, 12:38:12 PM
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AmyL
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« Reply #481 on: June 16, 2011, 12:38:12 PM » |
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Ethan missed a turn. Ouch.  Kurt has covered 300 miles since leaving Lima ~31 hours ago. |
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Reply #482 on: June 16, 2011, 12:41:39 PM
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Reply #483 on: June 16, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
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mooseb
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« Reply #483 on: June 16, 2011, 12:44:56 PM » |
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What does that mean for Ethan? When he figures it out does he have to go back ?
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Reply #484 on: June 16, 2011, 12:51:36 PM
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SimonK
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« Reply #484 on: June 16, 2011, 12:51:36 PM » |
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Yep - he needs to go back. No sign of it yet. Hopefully he realises his mistake when he gets to Pinedale. Perhaps he has a cellphone with a supporter on the other end who will let him know what's happening.
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Reply #485 on: June 16, 2011, 12:57:06 PM
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mooseb
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« Reply #485 on: June 16, 2011, 12:57:06 PM » |
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Now THAT is amazing !! Love the mini movie of him reaching Antigua ! |
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Reply #486 on: June 16, 2011, 01:00:02 PM
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sjanes
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« Reply #486 on: June 16, 2011, 01:00:02 PM » |
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Yep - he needs to go back. No sign of it yet. Hopefully he realises his mistake when he gets to Pinedale. Perhaps he has a cellphone with a supporter on the other end who will let him know what's happening.
I was under the impression that outside support is not allowed. |
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Reply #487 on: June 16, 2011, 01:15:45 PM
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SimonK
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« Reply #487 on: June 16, 2011, 01:15:45 PM » |
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He's back on track - looks like he turned around near the 4-way intersection shortly before Pinedale. Phew!
Physical outside support is forbidden, but riders get messages of support all the time. Such a message that included something like, "What a bummer you missed that turn-off before Pinedale?" isn't actually much more help than Ethan keeping an eye on this forum with an iPhone. If he was plugged into a team radio, that would be against the spirit of the Tour Divide (I'd have thought).
You've got to wonder how well informed the leaders are of the competition's position and movements. If Kurt knew when Jefe started riding again this morning, that would be quite helpful from a race strategy point of view.
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Reply #488 on: June 16, 2011, 01:18:10 PM
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montanakb
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« Reply #488 on: June 16, 2011, 01:18:10 PM » |
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I believe you're right. Last year we watched two riders (via their SPOTs), take a right off Priest Pass and up MacDonald Pass instead of a left downhill into Helena. It was after dark and pouring rain. I heard my husband from the other room yell, "Dude, no! No! Dude, no!" I wanted to drive out to tell them but he said absolutely not. We couldn't risk them getting relegated. So we anxiously watched online until they realized their error and turned around, then drove out to cheer them on as they came into town for the night.
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Reply #489 on: June 16, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
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Georg66
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« Reply #489 on: June 16, 2011, 01:21:27 PM » |
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He's back on track - looks like he turned around near the 4-way intersection shortly before Pinedale. Phew!
Physical outside support is forbidden, but riders get messages of support all the time. Such a message that included something like, "What a bummer you missed that turn-off before Pinedale?" isn't actually much more help than Ethan keeping an eye on this forum with an iPhone. If he was plugged into a team radio, that would be against the spirit of the Tour Divide (I'd have thought).
You've got to wonder how well informed the leaders are of the competition's position and movements. If Kurt knew when Jefe started riding again this morning, that would be quite helpful from a race strategy point of view.
... am not sure, if he did a correct route, he went 189/191 instead of going 352 via Cora ... |
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Reply #490 on: June 16, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
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riverfever
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« Reply #490 on: June 16, 2011, 01:24:15 PM » |
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Yep...doesn't look like he totally righted things.
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Reply #491 on: June 16, 2011, 01:29:37 PM
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sjanes
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« Reply #491 on: June 16, 2011, 01:29:37 PM » |
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I would drive out there and tell him but it would take 4 days...
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Reply #492 on: June 16, 2011, 01:30:09 PM
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mtbcast
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« Reply #492 on: June 16, 2011, 01:30:09 PM » |
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Pete Faeth called in from Del Norte. This audio is very garbled but we can hear he’s okay. Daniel Bayley called in from Butte. And Rob Roberts called in from Butte where he’s resting in a hotel and his bike is getting repaired at the Outdoorsman. He also found someone’s blue compression pillow in a gray pack. You can get the audio here, via RSS, or on iTunes! |
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Reply #493 on: June 16, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
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Thumby
Tell me, where is this mythical convenience store?
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« Reply #493 on: June 16, 2011, 01:50:12 PM » |
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This is footage I shot on my iPhone from the beginning of the race last week in Banff. At the end, JP yells out "Thumbs up for rock n' rolll!" He is referencing this video, check it out if you haven't seen it yet!!
I feel happy of yourself, JP!! Elizabeth/The Wife Cheering in Texas!
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And even if one day I do, I'll jump off and smile back at you. -Jesse Winchester
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Reply #494 on: June 16, 2011, 02:01:48 PM
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« Reply #494 on: June 16, 2011, 02:01:48 PM » |
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Perhaps he has a cellphone with a supporter on the other end who will let him know what's happening.
From the TD rules, item #2: "Therefore, outside assistance[2] with navigation, lodging or resupply (especially receipt of supplies from a non-commercial shipper) is prohibited." I think that it's very clear that nobody should call Ethan--as much as we all want to. I remember when my wife thought that I'd gone off-course during the CTR (I was OK, just enjoying an overlook!), and she really, really, really wanted to text me--but she didn't because she knew the rules. I don't want to start another rules thread, but I think it's worth noting that rules that limit what spectators do are going to be nearly impossible to enforce. What's Ethan going to do if someone calls him and blurts out that he's missed a turn? Should he really be disqualified? Tough one for sure, and I'm really glad that it's not my job to settle issues like this... Edit: Before people like me go spouting off on this, I hope that Matthew jumps in with some guidance ASAP. When EL had his route issue last year, the verdict wasn't rendered until the end of the race--which was rather harsh! |
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Reply #495 on: June 16, 2011, 02:05:27 PM
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sjanes
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« Reply #495 on: June 16, 2011, 02:05:27 PM » |
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relegate the spectator...  |
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Reply #496 on: June 16, 2011, 02:10:51 PM
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DoctorRad
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« Reply #496 on: June 16, 2011, 02:10:51 PM » |
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Thanks for the video Elizabeth, I wanted to yell out "Pace yourselves!" in the early part...! A surprising number of people using full racks too.
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Reply #497 on: June 16, 2011, 02:14:19 PM
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bbaker22
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« Reply #497 on: June 16, 2011, 02:14:19 PM » |
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From the topo, the next section for Justin Simoni looks like a steep side slope with lots of snow. Sketchy!
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Reply #498 on: June 16, 2011, 02:38:46 PM
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Mathewsen
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« Reply #498 on: June 16, 2011, 02:38:46 PM » |
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I think that it's very clear that nobody should call Ethan--as much as we all want to. I remember when my wife thought that I'd gone off-course during the CTR (I was OK, just enjoying an overlook!), and she really, really, really wanted to text me--but she didn't because she knew the rules.
I don't want to start another rules thread, but I think it's worth noting that rules that limit what spectators do are going to be nearly impossible to enforce. What's Ethan going to do if someone calls him and blurts out that he's missed a turn? Should he really be disqualified? Tough one for sure, and I'm really glad that it's not my job to settle issues like this...
Yep, nobody should call Ethan or others when they get confused on course. It's one thing in an emergency, to fax or fed-ex a rider new cues because they lost their map or cue systems. That's OK. But, phoning a rider to help interpret maps/cues, inform them of their exact location, or assist in correcting navigational errors is, well, cheating. How does TD stop it from happening? They don't. How does TD limit what spectators do? Simple: the only way they can--through the riders themselves. Just like grand tour road racers must never accept food or liquid from rabid tifosi along the roadside for fear of contamination/scandal, TD riders must also behave defensively towards well-meaning, but out of line SPOT-stalking superfans. It's not hard to decline everything from persons met in encounters clearly not a result of happenstance. Over time, education will keep everyone mostly in line. FWIW, Ethan's error is a minor detour snafu, not an egregious main GDMBR error, so (unofficially) he won't be relegated for this one. It was decided during the creation of the detours, while trying to proof the turns/mileage, that if riders made minor deviations during detours that were NOT materially shorter, it would not be grounds for relegation. Was this announced to riders in advance? Of course not. But it's the reality of this crazy 'Tour Detour' 2011. |
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Reply #499 on: June 16, 2011, 02:45:39 PM
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Cosmo K
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Elizabeth - - - Thx for the videos...the second one is classic!
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