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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #120 on: June 10, 2012, 10:55:45 AM
Roland Sturm


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« Reply #120 on: June 10, 2012, 10:55:45 AM »

I scratch my head every year about the early June start, too.  GDR always started later (still does, technically), though even a week or two later is still Junuary.
Must be tradition because there seems to be straightforward alternative: Northbound! Starting in the first half of June maximizes daylight around summer solstice for the ride. There is a lot of appeal to a group start (increased motivation compared to beating split times) and to having long daylight, but I would (and did) start northbound in early June. Better chance at weather (forest fire season is going to deteriorate for another month in the south - and then there are storms and mud - while the north on average will be drier and warmer when you get there).

When McCoy scouted the route and proposed going south, he considered it a 2 months trip which works better going south as described in the book. Don't need to follow that tradition for racing.

Strange that there are comments that the weather is unpredictable - it seems rather predictable that the far north is going to be wet and cold in early June. Having ridden both ways, the NB disadvantages are likely headwinds just when you are most vulnerable (e.g. Basin, NM desert; even though it should average out over the whole distance), high altitude early on, and overall a harder first week (for me, NM is the hardest state by a big margin - and the first day NB might be the hardest of the whole trip).
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #121 on: June 10, 2012, 11:02:05 AM
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« Reply #121 on: June 10, 2012, 11:02:05 AM »

Last night we met Eszter in Eureka, she looked cold and tired but still motivated...
This morning we saw John Smith who apparently took a dive in a creek during day 2 and now looking for a hot breakfast.
hey John > Crazy Larry here...Remember that Hypothermia can kill....make you not think clearly. Be careful and witty minded to manage the wetness as best you can. Enjoy your Epic Ride of a lifetime ! Watching ALL of you so closely. While looking for my stolen bike ...just hours before the race. Crap! looking for some goodness out of it all.
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #122 on: June 10, 2012, 11:52:59 AM
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« Reply #122 on: June 10, 2012, 11:52:59 AM »

Mr Lobeck at 12:22pm - 6 miles from the fish

"when's it gonna warm up?"


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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #123 on: June 10, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
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« Reply #123 on: June 10, 2012, 11:57:57 AM »

Be interesting to see if Lobeck's stop and sleep (and dry out session) in Eureka will pay off better than pushing on and bedding down cold last night. Looks like he got up and out at 3am and is 20ish miles behind now. How will things shake out late afternoon and tonight?? Will he try to catch em or hover a few miles behind? There is surely a good race brewing with Ollie and Craig. (on day three that is. Could be totally different tommorrow...)
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #124 on: June 10, 2012, 12:15:56 PM
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« Reply #124 on: June 10, 2012, 12:15:56 PM »

I've announced Craig Stapplers name now for quite a few years in various races...he's a burly enduring type guy who is willing to lay it all on the line to do his best 'every' time in what he pursues. Just his way.
I warned him very sternly about managing hypothermia well, in order to keep up the push. He might be doing just that !
This is a VERY interesting exciting race up front and close behind the race leaders and amongst the girls. Who would have known? You never know who's going to come out of the wood work (so to speak) and race next year. LOL
Very exciting for me here in Banff as I watch with FREE internet at MacDonalds ...of all places!? Yeeek !! LOL Smiley (my subscription ran out at the YWCA ~ Awe nuts! ..is there anything else that can go wrong with the Salsa 'Mamasita' being stolen right before race start? hee hee ha ha!
HAVING Great FUN watching on the puter....keeping me well occupied and downloading movies as I watch of quick interviews of the riders while here at the YWCA. It's taking time..but one by one...i'm trying to learn Movie Maker quickly and sew them all together in one big movie with various riders.
its coming racers ....they're coming !!! Haven't forgotten.
CL
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #125 on: June 10, 2012, 12:27:08 PM
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« Reply #125 on: June 10, 2012, 12:27:08 PM »

I ran 32x17 for gearing (29er) and everything south of Cuba was tough. Spun out city overall. I predicted my finish time in AW within 15 minutes once I hit the lonely highway because I knew exactly what pace I could do on that terrain. Then again didn't Jefe run 32x18 29er last year?

I'll be cheering Mark on!

Yeah, I can see that.  Mark prefers ~105 cadence but that's only ~16.5 at 36x20 and I'm not sure how many hours he can sustain that high of a cadence.  I'm guessing Jefe spins quite quickly also to have sustained his speeds through NM.
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #126 on: June 10, 2012, 12:30:19 PM
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« Reply #126 on: June 10, 2012, 12:30:19 PM »

In 2008 the GDR started on something like the 21st June. Still quite a bit of hiking through snow on the high passes, but generally very nice weather - no snowfall and only about 8 hours rain for me. Mind you, most of that came during a wicked thunder-storm north of Silver City - that really put the fear of god into me. Avoiding the New Mexico thunderstorm season is one of the reasons for a June start, eh?

I understand the year before had even better weather (also with a later start).
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #127 on: June 10, 2012, 12:31:11 PM
Roland Sturm


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« Reply #127 on: June 10, 2012, 12:31:11 PM »

Rich Wolf also added an extra 3 hour bonus mile loop in Canada. Almost back on track, but that was an unusual turn (don't cross the bridge). And at least briefly, it looks as if he is getting company from Greg Levitsky.
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #128 on: June 10, 2012, 12:45:08 PM
threepin


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« Reply #128 on: June 10, 2012, 12:45:08 PM »

hopefully he did not ford the big creek twice- not sure he went quite that far
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #129 on: June 10, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
DenisVTT


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« Reply #129 on: June 10, 2012, 01:04:56 PM »

Must be tradition because there seems to be straightforward alternative: Northbound! Starting in the first half of June maximizes daylight around summer solstice for the ride. There is a lot of appeal to a group start (increased motivation compared to beating split times) and to having long daylight, but I would (and did) start northbound in early June. Better chance at weather (forest fire season is going to deteriorate for another month in the south, while the north on average will be drier and warmer when you get there).

When McCoy scouted the route and proposed going south, he considered it a 2 months trip which works better going south as described in the book. Don't need to follow that tradition for racing.

Strange that there are comments that the weather is unpredictable - it seems rather predictable that the far north is going to be wet and cold in early June. Having ridden both ways, the NB disadvantages are likely headwinds just when you are most vulnerable (e.g. Basin, NM desert; even though it should average out over the whole distance), high altitude early on, and overall a harder first week (for me, NM is the hardest state by a big margin - and the first day NB might be the hardest of the whole trip).

+1 Roland.

I had actually looked at the pluses and minuses of each direction last year. This is a summary:

SoBo:

Pro: More fun to start with more people (but by day 2, that feeling is gone!)
Pro: The maps and cue sheets are sobo. Much easier to follow.
Pro: Easier to get to Banff than to Antelope Wells

Con: Likelihood of more snow up north
Con: Likelihood of crappier weather in the north (includes snow and rain)
Con: Hotter in the south
Con: Might be difficult to find a motel in the first few days if you arrive past 8pm (and this is grizz country, so many people will want one)
Con: tough to get out of Antelope Wells when you're done
Con: colder weather in the north, hotter in the south
Con: difficult to ship your bike via UPS because of the uncertainty at customs (unless you live in Canada.) You need to travel with it which is more expensive

NoBo:

Pro: You can ship your bike to some town close by via UPS (no possible delay due to customs, unless you don't live in the US)
Pro: Far fewer people to compete with for motel rooms in the first few days (if you even have to use motels in the South)
Pro: Easier to get out of Banff at the end than out of Antelope Wells. Also a nicer place to stay for a few days at the end, than AW.
Pro: Maybe a little cooler weather in the south at the start, and warmer in the north
Pro: Likely less snow on the ground in the north when you get there
Pro: Less likelihood of real crappy weather in the north when you get there
Pro: slightly cooler in the south than 3 weeks later
Pro: Frontier flies to Tucson, and Frontier doesn't charge for bikes.
Pro: softer official record (assuming last year's record doesn't count, with all the detours)

Con: Harder to get to Antelope Wells for the GD
Con: Harder to read the maps and the cue sheets. More chances for mistakes. There is a SoBo GPS track, though.
Con: if tired, you may not be as on your game as you should be with grizzlies.

Tie: wind! It blows every which way!
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #130 on: June 10, 2012, 01:23:17 PM
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« Reply #130 on: June 10, 2012, 01:23:17 PM »

A few pics from guys at Rooseville Border Crossing...not sure about those peoples name...
So guess and enjoy!!


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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #131 on: June 10, 2012, 01:24:44 PM
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« Reply #131 on: June 10, 2012, 01:24:44 PM »

Pre Calgary Stampede on TDR 2012


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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #132 on: June 10, 2012, 01:30:50 PM
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« Reply #132 on: June 10, 2012, 01:30:50 PM »

Can anyone tell me who is doing the TDR on a trike?  I think he is on this board as Doc Trike?

JK
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #133 on: June 10, 2012, 01:35:39 PM
DenisVTT


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« Reply #133 on: June 10, 2012, 01:35:39 PM »

Can anyone tell me who is doing the TDR on a trike?  I think he is on this board as Doc Trike?

JK

His name is TJ Lomac, from Lake Grove, OR. He said he had to delay his start due to his new trike not being built yet (or something to that effect) and passport issues. He says he will do an ITT later this year, but no date is listed and he isn't on the TrackLeaders list.
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #134 on: June 10, 2012, 02:31:35 PM
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« Reply #134 on: June 10, 2012, 02:31:35 PM »

Matthew Lee does the TD weather on the Weather Channel:

http://wap.weather.com/weather/videos/most-popular-62/most-viewed-436/could-you-ride-the-divide-29063#loc=62/436/29063
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #135 on: June 10, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
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« Reply #135 on: June 10, 2012, 02:55:55 PM »

Looks like Josh Shifferly jumped from Eureka to Whitefish but no tracks on course. Hmm..?? He was having some leg pain/issues before leaving -- but maybe just riding with Ezter and spot was not on?
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #136 on: June 10, 2012, 02:59:59 PM
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« Reply #136 on: June 10, 2012, 02:59:59 PM »

Just saw via Twitter that Bryce Walsh is ending his journey due to a case of pneumonia. What a shame...
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #137 on: June 10, 2012, 03:04:26 PM
DenisVTT


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« Reply #137 on: June 10, 2012, 03:04:26 PM »

Looks like Josh Shifferly jumped from Eureka to Whitefish but no tracks on course. Hmm..?? He was having some leg pain/issues before leaving -- but maybe just riding with Ezter and spot was not on?

Battery problem? I know I couldn't find one of them lithium batteries when it died in Eureka.
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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #138 on: June 10, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
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« Reply #138 on: June 10, 2012, 03:16:12 PM »

I ran into a few racers today while I was out on my mountain bike.  Didn't catch their names but all were happy and healthy and (for the moment) dry.  These photos were taken on Grave Creek Road a few miles before crossing the continental divide headed toward Polebridge.


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  Topic Name: TD'12 Race Discussion Reply #139 on: June 10, 2012, 03:31:40 PM
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« Reply #139 on: June 10, 2012, 03:31:40 PM »

Rider29er,

The solo rider in black is Jarral Ryter.  If that pic was today it looks like he found an answer to his brake problems!  Toughing it out thru mechanicals and diabetes.  I'm pulling for this guy!
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