TD`13 Race Discussion

[mikepro]

You made a good run, Marco.  Very impressive!

[mikepro]

I am still impressed by Billy Rice doing the Northbound and turning around and doing the southbound...Damn.

Yeah, and he's doing it without holding onto his handlebars while playin' a harmonica and a banjo.  Yo-Yo Legend in the making ...

[metalartgate]

This is how they compare the crossings for RAAM as they change the route year to year.

I am no math whiz (the slow in Slow Dave isn't just bike speed) but it seems to me with a varying course that a better way to compare rides for record purposes would be average speed calculated with elapsed time for riders that cross both  end points using only the official course and approved reroutes.  Not perfect but closer.

[marco_n]

You made a good run, Marco.  Very impressive!

yes, thanx!
I hate to be out!!! my legs and my brain are in super conditions, but I was no longer able to manage the pain, and the way for Aw was soo long to risk a big damages...
but... this is the risk of a ultracycling racing and I accept it...

[fromBrushMtn]

whew...

i've finally gotten some more pics up on the facebook page:
facebook.com/brushmountainlodge


Bryan is about to arrive...gotta go feed the local boy...(:

ps...it's true, we are exactly at mile 1600, in this current incarnation of the route...


more soon(!)

[davidhaile]

i've finally gotten some more pics up on the facebook page:
facebook.com/brushmountainlodge

I am eagerly anticipating updates! Thanks so much.

[taprider]

This is how they compare the crossings for RAAM as they change the route year to year.
in reply to
Quote from: SlowDave on June 26, 2013, 05:42:49 AM
I am no math whiz (the slow in Slow Dave isn't just bike speed) but it seems to me with a varying course that a better way to compare rides for record purposes would be average speed calculated with elapsed time for riders that cross both  end points using only the official course and approved reroutes.  Not perfect but closer.

you would also have to take into account pavement is faster than gravel road --> faster than jeep track --> faster that singletrack --> faster than pushing your bike through snow
so time calculation might be distance/(velocityXroughness element)  (d/vR=t) for each segment of the course, then add them all up (with R being something like 1 for pavement varying to 0.05 for wading through hip deep wet snow)
I don't like the idea of having "official" records for this type of event
even if the whole route was paved and there were no detours from year to year, the weather alone would add so many variables that you couldn't compare one rider from one year with another rider from another year and say exactactly who is faster
maybe in addition to the roughness element modifier there needs to be a calculation for for how "pure" the self sufficiency or ethic of the racer is
so (TD time) divided by "purity"  = time for comparison sake  (so who is the real record holder? C$ or LongRanger?)
so Tour DiVide not Tour DeVide

[mikepro]

Brian P cruises right through Salida (I can relate) ... perhaps for faster re-fuel at Poncha Springs mini-mart and then maybe again in Sargents.  Looks like he's got his face on for catching Liam ...

[seeingspots]

Hey everyone, some total noob comments to follow, so go easy on me. ;-)

Not having a clue about the condition of the NM fire, last night I dreamt up an ideal situation where the fire was almost under control and they reopened the trail in time for Jesse and he just took the record. Of course, now I see he needs to make up some time too. Oh well. (Never mind what I was dreaming up was going through Craig’s head at times.) Watching blue dots does wonders for the imagination.

Regarding the previous discussion of too many riders, is that becoming a real logistical problem, or is it being talked about here? If it’s a real issue, they could cap the entries and put people on a waiting list. Elite riders would get automatic entries. Alternately, a second wave a week later wouldn’t be too bad since the timing seems largely to to with max daylight - less of an issue if you’re taking 4 weeks or more to complete. My 3rd idea was to cap entries and offer an alternate grand depart northbound to those who don’t want to be on a waiting list. A lot of people like the excitement of a grand depart, so it would be good not to restrict it to elites. Finally, silver dots for riders over 55? :-D

[DaveH]

Finally, silver dots for riders over 55? :-D

Oooo, I like that idea. I'll chat with the TL boys and see what we can do. Probably not for Bluedot for this year's event - any changes to the client app requires a full re-download of it, so I try not to impose that on anyone during a big event - but I'm all about the visual aesthetics of the apps There are an impressive number of 50+ riders this year, all out there getting after it.

[PerryD]

hi guys!
I' write this post from my home... I'm out fron day 6 for achille's tendons problems...
I've rided few days with Jesse an Liam... this guys is very fast! Now I see the Jesse's 2nd place! is a strong guy!
go aussie!!!!

(I need to retry the GTD race, but i need to found a solution for my achille's problem. is the first time I have this problem in my life. I'm so pissed for my stop!!!!)

Hey Marco,

My daughter and I met you in Helena in front of the drug store. My daughter was completely enamored with the whole experience and we watched your blue dot and then were bummed to see it stall out. Sorry you had to drop out but hopefully you can get your achilles issue figured out and come back for another try.

Best of luck to you.

[taprider]

Oooo, I like that idea. I'll chat with the TL boys and see what we can do. Probably not for Bluedot for this year's event - any changes to the client app requires a full re-download of it, so I try not to impose that on anyone during a big event - but I'm all about the visual aesthetics of the apps There are an impressive number of 50+ riders this year, all out there getting after it.

keep it 60+
being 53 myself, I don't think there is too much handicap for 50+, I still think I am fast compared to the average 20-40 year olds
50+ is just an age group
60+ is more significant when comparing marathon mountain bike race results to younger riders.  Actually it's 70+ for marathon running races, but mountain bike downhill racing has a much younger noticeable drop in speed with ageing, so 60+ is probably fairer, more of a true race with the Grim Reaper

[the tortoise]

And Grim Reaper dots for those over 60!

[taprider]

And Grim Reaper dots for those over 60!

WOW for a tortoise, posting that graphic was sure fast

[cc4005]

Peter Haile just went off-course about 6 miles. Figured it out and is on his way back now.

Edit: zooming in on the winding route, may have even been 8-10 miles.

[SlowDave]

Well, for us older folks, we should really just shorten the course to something like from here to the bathroom. 

[the tortoise]

Well, for us older folks, we should really just shorten the course to something like from here to the bathroom. 

And my answer to that?
Depends!

[davidhaile]

Peter Haile just went off-course about 6 miles. Figured it out and is on his way back now.

Yikes! Glad he's figured it out.

[Georg66]

Peter Haile just went off-course about 6 miles. Figured it out and is on his way back now.

Edit: zooming in on the winding route, may have even been 8-10 miles.

He is not the first, last year Michael and Robin happened the same, ...
http://trackleaders.com/tourdividei.php?name=Michael_Intrabartola

[davidhaile]

Oooo, I like that idea. I'll chat with the TL boys and see what we can do. Probably not for Bluedot for this year's event - any changes to the client app requires a full re-download of it, so I try not to impose that on anyone during a big event - but I'm all about the visual aesthetics of the apps There are an impressive number of 50+ riders this year, all out there getting after it.

I'm a fan of keeping the silver dot for 50+. I am 53 years old and am on the verge of descending into a decrepit couch potato if I don't stay on the bike. There's often not a whole lot of visible difference between 30 year old riders vs non-riders but there's a huge difference once you reach 50.