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Reply #40 on: December 02, 2012, 02:29:39 PM
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JayP
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2012, 02:29:39 PM » |
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Vapor Barrier socks - Personally I graduated from Seal Skinz to RBH to glorified plastic bags - http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_detail.cfm?id=672 I prefer the thickness of the Integral Designs, thin, it keeps the options open to layering with preferred socks... I have miles upon miles in all of these. I use to use Hydropel a fair amount in the days of multi sport adventuring to help wick moisture, keep trench foot at bay, and prevent blisters. I am very cautious at using lubes in any area, feet or butt, in multi day events as it gets into your clothing. -JayP |
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Reply #41 on: December 02, 2012, 07:54:34 PM
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Damnitman
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2012, 07:54:34 PM » |
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How many seasons are you getting out of a pair?
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Reply #42 on: December 04, 2012, 11:08:26 AM
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Eric
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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2012, 11:08:26 AM » |
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I've used the Integral Designs vb's a ton. They are good but there are still issues. They are slick, so lots of walking will bunch up socks around your toes and the VB slides down. Creativity can solve that one, kinda. I'd also love it if they were an inch or 2 taller as that top closure is right at the top of some boots. I wish they used something other than a cord lock for the closure, the seam tape started to peal on mine in like 4 seasons (good enough...). But like Jay mentioned, I like that they are thin and you can layer and switch packed out outer socks on long trips - something that's almost impossible with the RBH socks.
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Reply #43 on: December 04, 2012, 02:00:22 PM
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JayP
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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2012, 02:00:22 PM » |
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How many seasons are you getting out of a pair?
I am happy getting 2 seasons out of them. I will say my seasons are all year and I use them pretty heavily throughout winter and summer. As an idea I turn them into lightweight shoe covers when they get worn. |
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Reply #44 on: December 04, 2012, 02:09:07 PM
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Gcharles
Location: NE Maine
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2012, 02:09:07 PM » |
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Interesting as I have never seen the Integral Design ones. I have the RBH and like them other than the thickness. I guess it is a pro in that the sock itself provides a level of insulation, but that is a con if you just want the VBL and not the insulation....
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Reply #45 on: December 04, 2012, 02:20:27 PM
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JayP
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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2012, 02:20:27 PM » |
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the sock itself provides a level of insulation
love them folks at RBH and there socks but i would argue the above comment...might provide more bulk then insulation... |
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Reply #46 on: December 04, 2012, 02:26:38 PM
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Gcharles
Location: NE Maine
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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2012, 02:26:38 PM » |
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Ok, that I will buy. I probably used the wrong words, as you are correct, it is bulk, with some insulation, that I was actually referring too. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Reply #47 on: December 04, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
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Damnitman
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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2012, 08:01:47 PM » |
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They don't make their bonded, non-insulated socks anymore? ...boo...
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Reply #48 on: December 05, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
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sfuller
Location: Central Iowa
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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2012, 07:24:42 PM » |
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JayP - You said you had used a set of Wölvhammer's already. Did you make any adjustments in sizing compared to your regular summer cycling shoe? My LBS has sets coming in, and I took a chance on them being properly warm when using my "true size" based on the marketing interviews. It's not too late for me to change my mind if that's not truly the case.
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Reply #49 on: December 05, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
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Area54
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« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2012, 07:32:59 PM » |
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Yeah, even though I have my system ready, I'm now rethinking about the 'hammers. Calling JayP...  |
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Amazing where riding a bike will take you...
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Reply #50 on: December 06, 2012, 04:55:32 AM
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Gcharles
Location: NE Maine
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« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2012, 04:55:32 AM » |
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Mine arrive on Monday and I will have an opportunity to try on multiple pairs with my deep winter layers. I thought I saw in a video interview that the recommendation was to go up 1 size from your regular summer shoes?
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Reply #51 on: December 07, 2012, 06:01:36 PM
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Andy74
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« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2012, 06:01:36 PM » |
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lots of people have been using Neos for years in Alaska. I use wool felt boots inside and non-insulated Neos for the outers. Its a good setup that does not restrict circulation at all.
I just got a pair Teva Chair 5 size 12 Too small with a pair of wool socks, have feeling 13's are gonna be too small too I'm a size 11wide, have Schnees boot liners What size Neos overshoes shoes should I get? |
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Reply #52 on: December 07, 2012, 06:09:53 PM
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sfuller
Location: Central Iowa
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« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2012, 06:09:53 PM » |
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I just picked my Wölvhammers up tonight since they arrived at the shop. I tried on two sizes and ended up not going up a size. I felt I had enough space with them at the size I ordered.
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Reply #53 on: December 07, 2012, 06:14:21 PM
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Andy74
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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2012, 06:14:21 PM » |
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O
I don't do endurance racing in Alaska
But I would like to be able to fatbike 100 mile rides in the middle of winter in New Jerseys pinelands
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Reply #54 on: December 15, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
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Gcharles
Location: NE Maine
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« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2012, 08:50:47 AM » |
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Wolvhammers arrived today. I ended up going up a size and a half (normally 42.5 and I got 44), as this will be a deep winter shoe for me. If I were not going to extreme conditions, I think I would not have to go up at all. The overall fit and finish is extremely nice, with very well thought out features.
For my foot system, running a sock liner, a thin VBL (not RBH), and a heavyweight wool sock, they fit perfectly. I had actually hoped to use an expedition wool sock, and while it fits in the foot portion of the boot, the ankle portion is to tight to zip up. Because of this, I will rethink my layering approach down in the shoe box. All in all, much more put together shoe than the Lake's I pedaled last year. The temps have dropped into the teens so I will get some riding time in them this weekend. Hope this helps people on the fence...
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Reply #55 on: December 17, 2012, 03:49:35 PM
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jaustin
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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2012, 03:49:35 PM » |
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I've had very good luck with my Neos. They have seen me through the Susitna 100 and two editions of the Arrowhead 135 and I've had no problems. At Arrowhead in '09 I had problems with snow getting into the top of the overboot - so in when I did it again in '11 I sewed myself a pair of gaiters using uncoated supplex. Worked great - kept snow out and let any moisture breath out.
Setup - pair of wool/bleand hiking socks, running shoes, insulated Neos. Kept me toasty even though it dropped to about -35 F. I have lot's of problems with cold feet at other times (when I camp, etc) but none with this setup. Running shoes are very comfy if you have to walk - and doesn't everyone have to walk from time to time? I'm doing Arrowhead again this year and am not gonna change a thing.
That being said I don't push things hard, and try to layer the rest of my body - if your core is too warm then your body will shunt heat to your hands and feet as they lose heat fast.
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Reply #56 on: January 02, 2013, 02:56:59 PM
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Reply #57 on: January 04, 2013, 10:02:07 PM
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Eric
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« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2013, 10:02:07 PM » |
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thought some of you would get a giggle out of this. My old standby setup has been neos, with the inside being a set of sorel liners glued to approach shoe soles (cut away all the uppers leaving only the heal cup behind, then belt sanded on the bottom thin out the sole down for the most interior space). I have used these for years and did the idita once using them. This winter sustained weeks of below zero this winter (never seemed to get cold toes in the past at low temps) left me craving a bit more insulation. My size 13 feet do not make this easy and I could feel I needed it more on top of my feet then from the bottom. So that was the direction to go - needed more height to the neos. scissors out, cutting them in half made me formally committed. added 2" of material to the tops..  and connected this to the neos soles.  Made an inner bootie out of hi-loft synthetic insulation, stuffed it in. Finished boot.  They are a freak show and gigantic, but ride great and are toasty. |
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Reply #58 on: January 05, 2013, 08:48:26 AM
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Gcharles
Location: NE Maine
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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2013, 08:48:26 AM » |
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Eric, those are HUGE!! But I can totally see how they will keep you warm. Thanks for sharing.
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Reply #59 on: February 10, 2013, 08:10:10 PM
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Tommi
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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2013, 08:10:10 PM » |
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Hey, how much does a set of Wolvhammers run? They look bombproof.
I am currently using ex army mukluks with ski boot liners. Not optimal, being heavy and klutzy, but warm enough.
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