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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? on: November 12, 2012, 10:02:05 AM
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« on: November 12, 2012, 10:02:05 AM »

I am trying to make a winter "must have bag"
A bag to carry on every trip I take this winter. The plan is to limit the size to a 10L drybag.

I was thinking things like spare gloves, balaclava, leg and knee warmers, spare dry socks, spare cheap dark sunglasses(snow blindness)
emergency energy bar, _____________??

What do you guys think?
Do you carry any kind of emergency kit when you winter ride?

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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #1 on: November 16, 2012, 09:33:38 PM
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2012, 09:33:38 PM »

Every rider, area of travel, length of trip, et cetera is different but in addition to your listed, some other items to consider:
*Mylar space blanket
*Lighter/matches depending on elevation and a small candle (Menorah size)
*Multi-tool w/saw blade (Leatherman/Gerber) or a small folding saw like a Opinel/Silky/Bahco
*Duct tape rolled onto itself or section of straw stuffed with Petroleum Jelly Cotton Balls and sealed.
*Button compass
*Empty Altoid tin to hold most of the above
*Hard Candies
*Laundry softened hankerchief/bandana (ever wiped your cold face with a brand new one...sucks)
*Lip balm and similar sized sunscreen (Dermatone)
*Heavy duty safety pin
*Pea-less whistle (Fox 40)
*Small head lamp/button light
*Folded portion of heavy duty Aluminum foil
*..........
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 08:34:15 AM
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 08:34:15 AM »

Thank you for the list. That's like a survival kit. I had not thought about those kinds of things.
I was mostly thinking of weather changes and you find yourself 20 miles from your vehicle or home.
In Colorado it can go from sunny and warm to windy, cloudy, and cold in minutes.

I carry 3 GU packs in my tank bag for a few extra calories but probably should look for other items
to help generate heat.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 03:43:05 PM »

Soon in some States, a little hemp.............. (for its fire starting properties)
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 03:21:53 PM »

Soon in some States, a little hemp.............. (for its fire starting properties)

Yeah that's the last thing Colorado needs is another reason for peeps to come visit our state.

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I just about have my winter riding kit assembled. I'm having a local bike bag maker making me a
custom seatbag. I hope to be able to post some picts very soon.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 09:23:08 AM
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 09:23:08 AM »

Every rider, area of travel, length of trip, et cetera is different but in addition to your listed, some other items to consider:
*Mylar space blanket
*Lighter/matches depending on elevation and a small candle (Menorah size)
*Multi-tool w/saw blade (Leatherman/Gerber) or a small folding saw like a Opinel/Silky/Bahco
*Duct tape rolled onto itself or section of straw stuffed with Petroleum Jelly Cotton Balls and sealed.
*Button compass
*Empty Altoid tin to hold most of the above
*Hard Candies
*Laundry softened hankerchief/bandana (ever wiped your cold face with a brand new one...sucks)
*Lip balm and similar sized sunscreen (Dermatone)
*Heavy duty safety pin
*Pea-less whistle (Fox 40)
*Small head lamp/button light
*Folded portion of heavy duty Aluminum foil
*..........

Nice list Yoreskillz.  My pack has much of the same items. I have rolled my duct tape around a chapstick. (just remember to not tape down the up/down adjustment) It also doubles as a firestarter. 

When I ride in the winter I usually get warm enough that I don't need many layers, but that is when I am riding or moving.  If stopped for any length of time that comfort level fades and I get cold quick.  So year around I carry a second layer of warmth in case I am moving extremely slow or not at all. Everything can usually be pulled over the top of what I already have on - hat, shell gloves, shell pants and coat.  Plus extra gels, handwarmers.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 09:28:56 AM
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 09:28:56 AM »

I might also add that much of what I listed is preparation for those times when a backcountry/winter ride my be interrupted regardless of the situation. Many find themselves just riding with a minimalist amount of gear, which is fine BUT luck normally favors the prepared. In my case if troubles arise it will be when I lacked preparing properly, so I take a bit more than many. Ma nature during the winter months is not very forgiving if one finds themselves broken down, hoofing it or worst yet hurt.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 12:02:58 PM »

There's a saying in the ultra light world "That you pack you fears" and based on that saying I see guys packing next to nothing should something go wrong.
I also see it on my local bike trails. Mostly road bikers worrying about ever gram not even carrying a plastic tire tool parks patch and mini pump.
I can count the number of bike walkers I've seen. One arm tucked inside there tights half freezing with 15 goatheads still stuck in there tires.


For me, one packs from experience and the intelligence to knowing things can and will go wrong.
With a little research into UL backpacking gear and some selective LBS or bike accessory websites
one can put together a pretty light and complete emergency kit. I can see this kit ever changing with newer lighter gear and the seasons.
That is my goal anyway and the reason I asked this question to the BK.net group.

Thanks again Yoreskillz since your post I have expanded my thinking to include the toolkit, emergency clothing, food, fire and shelter.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 12:13:30 PM »

CCB, I guess you near done with your kit but still wanna say +1 on emergency solar blanket. When camping in Boundary Waters this Spring my solar blanket completely changed the comfort level for my friend. He went with too cold sleeping bag and that blanket helped a lot. Luckily, my bag was just right for the season.
Multitool with saw blade is not as effective as real folding saw. I've tried to cut a dead pine tree with my Leatherman and it takes a lot of time and energy. Since that I don't even bother to pack that multitool with me.
Other then these aspects, I like Yourskillz's list - ready for Armageddon with that kit  icon_biggrin thumbsup
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 02:04:28 PM »

Hi stumpy,
Thanks for the tips. My kit will never be complete it will always change as I get smarter.

This picture is my cutting tools when I snowshoe/pulk.
I plan to take the little Bahco folding saw in the bikepack.

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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 02:13:12 PM
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 02:13:12 PM »

CCB you don't happen to hang out at BCUSA do you?

Northwest Woodsman Folding Bucksaw, Gransfors Bruks SFA, Bahco Laplander? Great kit there!!!
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 02:17:49 PM
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 02:17:49 PM »

CCB you don't happen to hang out at BCUSA do you?

Northwest Woodsman Folding Bucksaw, Gransfors Bruks SFA, Bahco Laplander? Great kit there!!!


HaHa you found me out... My handle on BushcraftUSA is OutandBack
I will go anywhere to improve my outdoor skillz
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 02:26:59 PM
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 02:26:59 PM »

I'd add a couple Hefty garbage bags to the list.  Great improvised wet weather gear or vapor barrier in an emergency.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 04:55:19 PM
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 04:55:19 PM »

CCB, axe is a great tool. There were many situations when I wish a had one with me.
Also, a good set of $20 bills will work well as an emergency kit  icon_biggrin
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 11:38:38 AM
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 11:38:38 AM »

After a very cold ride Saturday night where my rear wheel froze due to ice build up in my BB7... a little bottle of lock de-icer.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #15 on: December 03, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2012, 02:45:42 PM »

knife.
Mg firestarter.
whistle (all three above in the one tool)
cash.
gel/goo/honey tube
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #16 on: December 03, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2012, 02:59:41 PM »

knife.
Mg firestarter.
whistle (all three above in the one tool)
cash.
gel/goo/honey tube

Nice addition A54. I also take "Tapioca Straws" or the really big diameter straws, seal one end and fill them with a variety of "food" items. Flavored honeys, Agave nectar, Sugar, thin Caramel, Hot Chocolate, Spices, et cetera. They pack securely in spaces that you might not get them in ordinarily.

Magnesium Firestarter's are handy if you have full dexterity when you need them, same with Firesteel/scrapers.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 03:12:12 PM
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 03:12:12 PM »

Instead of magnesium firestarters, I carry several lighters (non or un kidsafed) and matches is various places plus cotton pads or balls with petroleum jelly, stuck in a zip-lock bag.  Makes starting a fire, even with less than ideal wood, a whole lot easier, and requires less dexterity than using the magnesium starters.
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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #18 on: December 08, 2012, 08:47:50 AM
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2012, 08:47:50 AM »

Instead of magnesium firestarters, I carry several lighters (non or un kidsafed) and matches is various places plus cotton pads or balls with petroleum jelly, stuck in a zip-lock bag.  Makes starting a fire, even with less than ideal wood, a whole lot easier, and requires less dexterity than using the magnesium starters.


I love messing with the mag fire starters when I do the bushcraft stuff but I do have better luck with
BIC lighters and they do weigh less.

For a back up I carry a small sealed bottle with windproof matches in a side pocket of my handlebar bag.

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  Topic Name: Must haves in the bike bag or backpack when winter riding?? Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 10:09:45 PM
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 10:09:45 PM »

reading through the list only a couple things I might recommend that might not have been mentioned or might be unconventional.  These are not part of the standard core stuff that might be on everyone's list or might just not have been mentioned.


1) hand/foot warmers... just added them to my kit for the first time ever.... not sure what I think, but they may mean the difference between fun riding and some extremely uncomfortable feet on a ride.

1.5) neosporine... carry it in my kit year round, alternative to chamois creame with many more uses.

2) toilet paper... good fore multiple obvious things, but also a great fire starter

3) swedish fire steel... actually more reliable then lighters, and ironically... at least with above toilet paper torn into strips, just as easy to use as a lighter

4) bacardi 151... lol... only partially kidding... i sometimes carry when winter touring in a Platypus Reserve bladder.  If you're going to carry alcohol bacardi 151 is superb for fire starting.  Also good in tea by the fire in the evening. Smiley   Alternately you could switch to Heet or other gasline antifreeze, but that's not edible. Wink

5) wind breaker/raincoat... I carry some type of wind breaker every ride I go out on, that's just standard equipment.  My favorite is a 4-5 oz O2 Rainwear jacket, but when touring I carry the lightest Frogg Togg Dri Ducks jacket because it can actually fit over my down jacket

6) down jacket... if you're way in remote places

7) a bubble compass or other compass... probably mentioned above

Cool cashews or other high energy food... some mentioned Gu above... same difference, whatever you prefer, Gu is probably easier to metabolize

9) a good fixed blade knife... I prefer fixed for baton use, sometimes everything is wet and you need fire, firesticks, splitting wood to get at heart wood

10) PVC rain pants... an emergency piece of gear... freezing rain is a killer... also great if you need to sit around in the snow.

I must admit most of the above is touring related. There is much more need for overnighters. Perhaps I should full on list my overnighter/ s24o kit.


== emergency warmth ==

So... there's a larger issue.  I admit I like to ride all night sometimes. Nothing like riding with a full moon reflecting off the snow and lighting the night up like day.  Don't know why, just love it. Below is the problem though.

On a recent trip I decided to try a power nap at about 3:30-4am. Try to cool down slowly. Put on my extra sock layers, spare merino wool base layer and PVC over pants, down jacket over my fleece jacket and base layers... even my Frogg Togg Driducks rain jacket.  Extra hat. It was probably about 25 degrees.

Did actually manage about 15-25 minutes sleep.  But the thing I realized is if I became incapacitated, i.e. slipped on some ice and busted a knee, there was no way I was going to make it long without a sleeping bag and an air mat.  There's just no way to keep warm.  At least not without getting drastic and hacking up some trees, getting some pine boughs to lay on and starting a fire.

I did btw, have insulated matts which I was using to sit on, but short of breaking out the sleeping bag there's just no stopping for any extended period out in the cold.

So, I guess I'm wondering how ultraracers hunker down in the cold. I.E. on the iditarod... is there such thing as a "power nap" or do you just have to full on break out the whole kit?  I guess I'm just looking to perfect my ride all day and all night without fear.

BTW, favorite place to stop on tour after riding all night... all night laundromat or early morning laundromat.

It's great to show up in a new town at 6-7am and open up a bakery or breakfast joint, then head over to a laundromat, throw in a load of laundry, set the alarm for 45 minutes or so, power nap, throw clothes in the dryer and then another power nap.  By then I'm usually good to go for the day until evening.  Eventually I do have to catch up on sleep though. Full on start a fire, set up the tent and break out all the winter camping gear if it's below freezing.... or on occasion get a hotel room and crash hard.

Am working hard on making my kit more slacker friendly / easier to setup and pack-up, but it's so much easier in the fall.   Down bag in the bivy, don't even need anything more then an Autoshade for insulation or mat.  Means I can be asleep in minutes after stopping and rolling again just as quick.  However it has a use threshold of about 32 degrees. Below that we're talking some sort of tent and perhaps a full airmat. i.e. my stripped down shangrila 3 and big agnes insulated air core.

My motto... if you're not sleeping well, then you haven't been riding hard enough or long enough. Smiley

Also been thinking of a new definition for ultra-endurance dirtbags... rides dirt all day, lays down in the dirt at night, gets up in the morning, brushes off some dirt and does it all again. Hammockers might disagree.
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