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  Topic Name: Water and winter bikepacking on: September 30, 2014, 03:22:13 PM
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« on: September 30, 2014, 03:22:13 PM »

So I'm bored at work and was looking for alternatives to keeping water in a framebag in the winter vs. on your back and under your jacket.  My initial thought was some type of aquarium heater in a water bladder in your frame bag hooked to a battery and dynamo hub.  I did some research and the only USB heaters I could find probably wouldn't be too effective.  Instead of using a heater, would using this small pump powered by a dynamo hub and battery in an insulated water bladder, work? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-3W-USB-4-5V-12V-Submersible-Water-Pump-Aquarium-Fish-Pond-micro-mini-Pump-/150871183897

My thought being that moving water doesn't freeze.  Is this plausible, or am I way off base?
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  Topic Name: Water and winter bikepacking Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 11:04:04 AM
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 11:04:04 AM »

Ha! I'd be curious to see this theory put into practice. Smiley

If you're using a bladder, having the water inside the bladder freeze solid is less of a concern than the hose and valve, which would easily freeze even if you had hot tub jets inside the bladder. I've used a tubeless MSR bladder in the past, but without insulation the water inside freezes fast and the jostling of water inside the bladder causes ice to form on the lid threading and can be almost impossible to open. If you really don't water on your back I think the best strategy is to buy 1-2 Hydroflask bottles, which I've had luck with keeping water slushy but drinkable for upwards of 12 hours in below zero temps (by combining with an OR insulation sleeve). They don't fit as well inside a frame bag, but bladders are pretty much useless unless they're on your body.
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  Topic Name: Water and winter bikepacking Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 10:02:23 AM
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 10:02:23 AM »

I always had the hose of water bladders freeze, no matter if they are insulated or not. I use thermos bottles now, I melt snow in the morning and it keeps liquid for 24h, no problem.

If you make 1L of boiling water it stays hot for most of the day. You can drink a bit of it, then fill it back up with snow... that way you get over twice the amount of liquid in the end, because you keep refilling with snow, as long as the water has a bit of heat in it.

I wouldnt want to rely on electronics, especially when they are used in water AND in the extreme cold. Both are hostile to electric devices.
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